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CDP's IT REALLY DOESN'T MATTER

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subject title CDP's IT REALLY DOESN'T MATTER

Post by pdb1 on Sun 14 Feb 2016, 14:54


  • pdb1

    7,976 Posts
    Mon, Feb 1 2016 8:43 PM

      IT REALLY DOESN'T MATTER anymore anyway . That I came home from work and answered my emails and a couple forum posts . Then ran some errands , came back and lost my CDP again . It was only 30 something days since the last time I lost my Consecutive Days Played  while I was on and doing stuff . 
      But what really makes it matter even less is that it feels like there are about 3 members in the CC . Barely . 
      Just a big let down in so many ways . Of course I am not blind to the good points of the CC . But they really have very little to do with me . Most of what I encourage , or talk about , or suggest , completely gets ignored . No response , no feedback , no action , no anything . 
      The big success of late was that 8 CC members showed up for Saturdays event . Big fcking deal . Those 8 are gr8 . Definitely are appreciated . I heard from about 3 or 4 others about the tournament . One third of the CC . 2 thirds  20 members would not respond . No matter what . And more than 20 do not post enough for anyone to know you even belong to this CC other than seeing your name on a tournament roster , if even then . 
      It is just plain B S . Makes it very hard for me to justify putting out all the effort to record your stats , know when you have achieved milestones . Try like a mother fcker to get you that trophy on time . So you don't feel overlooked or forgotten . Everyday day without fail . No one could miss those efforts . Obvious as hell . 
      Probably very appreciated . Some actually thank me for their accolades . Some never have . As though it were nothing to sneeze at . Fine nobody said you had to like your accolades . But I do ask that you put back into the CC in other ways . I name them and suggest them all the time . 
      So what is the problem ? Some of you spend hours and hours playing . And still have to dig deep to find a 1 minute post from you . 
      Of course the thought that they never ever gave a shyt and are just using the CC for selfish reasons , and will never be active or present , or accountable as long as they are in the CC  has crossed my mind 1000 times in the last 2 years . 
      But you know I always gave you more credit than that . Always gave you the benefit of the doubt . Because I am just that damn optimistic . So I have never mentioned that you might just be that selfish before . Not because I didn't want to hurt your feelings . I try not to do that too . But has never stopped me from saying what is on my mind . But more likely because I wouldn't admit it to myself . 
      Lol . Sometimes I actually feel like the biggest fcking fool . Only for a minute . Because even if it turns out that I am right about a bunch of you . That won't matter at all . My intentions are solid . Even if I stand alone . I know I don't . I just read some posts from members and Kevin on several occasions has said " as long as you are running this CC Paul I will never leave " . Others that have said , that have left also . Yes we are still friends . By my choice . But I sure know not to believe anything anyone says . 
      So I will respect them / you and try to be a friend . 
      For now anyway .

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  • CrustyDemon1

    361 Posts
    Tue, Feb 2 2016 2:23 AM

    Any member of this worth half his salt should respond to this message.
    I can't speak for others, but I for one am sick and tired of all the thankless effort Paul puts into this CC, for virtually no return...or a very small % of return, considering the amount of members here.
    He has said it a thousand times...in a thousand different ways...in a thousand different posts...and on multi forums ie the Website etc.
    He is not looking for praise and glory...doesn't want it...doesn't need it.
    Just a TINY show of appreciation from those of you who are continually silent, for belonging to a home he has single handedly forged for each and every one of us!
    He is kind, and generous of soul...and I've NEVER seen a CC owner work so hard to make his CC a success...and believe me, I've been in lots.
    Sometimes I think he is TOO kind, and I've told him so. Believe me, it it was ME running this show, many of you would have been removed a long time ago.
    But do NOT mistake Paul's kindness for weakness. One day he will reach the point of no return, and maybe we will ALL be without a home.
    God forbid that would ever happen but YOU...the SILENT ones can do something about it!
    Do it...before it's too late. Instead of letting a good thing slip through your fingers because of laziness, or neglect, or presumptuousness, or whatever...show our leader the respect he deserves and works so hard for.
    This is not aimed at the very few who DO contribute in so many ways...you know who you are.
    This is aimed at the ones who don't...and you know who YOU are!
    Keep this CC together and then let's get back to the enjoyment of it, and the game.
    Kelly
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  • UZiBerlin

    140 Posts
    Tue, Feb 2 2016 4:16 AM

    If everybody would behave like good citizens in real life usually do - show appreciation, react, respond, support, communicate, show interest, help, be proactive - this regularly emerging topic would dissolve automatically.
    I have no idea why some behave differently in this environment and I don't want to speculate, but it seems not very difficult to be a CC-friendly member. Some good will is all it takes.

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  • pdb1

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    Tue, Feb 2 2016 4:53 AM

      Kelly so accurately and eloquently supporting my message . I do want to elaborate on one part . 
      It is not me that i am asking to be shown more for what i do . I meant to and usually mention I more see a whole CC of certain members that go above and beyond as a collective to add and maintain the vast amount of various features that make this CC a co op  above all normals . Showing respect and giving back to the CC and its members that make such a good experience should be a given , a no brainer and should go without saying . The lack of responses to me is only a little part of the missing efforts . The CC and all its members deserve better . 
     

     CrustyDemon1:
    .show our leader the respect he deserves and works so hard for

      Kelly 
      More accurately show yourselves and fellow cc members the respect you work so hard for .
      I am not the only one that is doing this for the shear joy and need to help provide this cool experience at WGT . This is our way of helping others through this otherwise frustrating and seemingly endless never ending sea of brick walls   and glitches and errors . 
      These selfless efforts are invaluable , priceless . 

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  • kishoph

    347 Posts
    Tue, Feb 2 2016 4:55 AM

    Paul, I'm sorry you're feeling this way and I know there are more than a few members (myself included) that deeply appreciate what you do for this club. I've only been a member of 3or 4 CC's and this is by far the best club that I know of and the lion's share (97%) of that, is because of the work, dedication and love you put into this club.
    It is disappointing that many members do not appreciate what you do, or do not follow through with the very few things you ask of the members here. Run this club for your happiness, and if it starts to bring you more misery than joy, let it go. As unfortunate as that would be, I would hate for someone that I like and respect very much, start becoming unhappy trying to make others happy. I do hope I can be a member of this club for years to come, but not at the expense of your happiness.
    I wish I could be active in the weekend tourneys but, I can never commit to them, because my weekends are consumed with stuff I can't accomplish during the week and I do not want to enter and then have to withdraw.

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  • pdb1

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    Tue, Feb 2 2016 5:14 AM

    `  Gene you are of no worry or concern in any respect . You dedicate yourself and respond , give input , support other members . Amongst many other things . And are one of the best and highest respected long time members we are fortunate to share this CC with . 
      Thank you Gene for all you do . And thank you for your sentiments . Yes it certainly would be a shame for me to become unhappy and miserable trying to make others happy . 
      Let's all not let that happen . Frustration and disappointment can easily be overcome . 

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  • pdb1

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    Tue, Feb 2 2016 5:20 AM

      Urs is a very good example of a special newer member that has jumped in with both feet . . 
      He and others are more good reasons for all to be appreciative of what is all around us here . 
      I don't like to have to remind others to step up in some way . It should be obvious and voluntary . 
      It is very hard for some of these foreign members to understand this complacency . I know this because they message and tell me . 

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  • JimQ916

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    Tue, Feb 2 2016 6:29 AM

     straight days...my highest total yet....GO JIM!!!!

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  • CTOCMRet

    138 Posts
    Tue, Feb 2 2016 7:09 AM

    Paul -
     
    This is to let you know I have decided to leave the CC. I have been a member of several clubs here, started my own before joining here and I can understand your frustration.  I guess I am one of the members "worth half his salt" and other digs posted by CD1.  This is a game and I feel it has turned into a real effort just trying to read all the negative posts.  I will tell you spending hours trying to get a match from members - and "you know who you are" - is frustrating.  Interesting enough 3 of the more reputable members that left are the ones that I have played 90 percent of matches with.  Your efforts are monumental Paul - will participation change?  Doubt it - it is just the nature of this game and people who play it.  Thank YOU for all your hard work - wishing you the best.
    CTOCMRet
    Bill
     

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  • TinysTeeShot

    255 Posts
    Tue, Feb 2 2016 9:19 AM

    Paul,
    It sadens me to see how many ppl show you no respect at all. I haven't been here very long, so it's hard to comment a lot, as I don't know who has done what in the past. I think everyone knows what is expected of them, and I don't understand why some won't make some kind of effort to meet them expectations.
    Yes, it would be nice to have 30, 40, 50 members, but not if 50% or more don't do chit for the club. You are the club owner and do more then anyone can expect to keep it an active member club, but WE ALL need to help make it a successful club.
    I'll bet most the slackers have never been in a real club, by that I mean not on-line, because they wouldn't have lasted as long as they have if they didn't follow the by-laws of the club. The whole purpose of a club is for ppl with the same intrest to enjoy it TOGETHER!
    I hope you see brighter days ahead my friend,
    Tiny



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  • JimQ916

    2,005 Posts
    Tue, Feb 2 2016 12:38 PM

    Hey Paul....to make this short you know how I feel about you and how you run the CC....I greatly appreciate everything you do as the Owner. You are the best and I hope you don't change a thing....thank you very much my man...Jim
     
    Kelly and Tiny said all that needs to be said!!!!

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  • robmurphy4

    677 Posts
    Tue, Feb 2 2016 12:41 PM

    I have seen this letter in many forms as a member of VOTSCC. It always elicits the same response. Those members who always post, proclaim their alligence to both Paul and the CC. Perhaps, one member who we have not heard from in awhile will post with a reason why they have been MIA. This method does not effect any change whatsoever. A full house cleaning of any and all who are riding on the coattails of those who do all the work is needed. We are down to 31 members as of this moment. What harm would come from dropping down to a number where all are involved. What that "magic" member list is , only Paul knows. 
    The time has come for someone to put their foot down and that foot is Paul. 
    Paul has been sooooo understanding with theses a-holes for far to long.
    Today I declare a new VOTSCC free from any and all freeloaders. 
    Do it Paul you deserve the club you have always envisioned.
     
    Rob

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  • dschom5

    215 Posts
    Tue, Feb 2 2016 1:18 PM

    First of all let me say thanks for the hardware for the tourny win, thanks for the round the other day, I know your not supposed to beat the boss at golf but I couldn't help myself. I was there Saturday even though I screwed it up and couldn't play, you know your efforts are appreciated by the most important members.  Keep up the good work.
     
    Turd

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  • kishoph

    347 Posts
    Tue, Feb 2 2016 2:02 PM


     pdb1:

    `  Gene you are of no worry or concern in any respect . You dedicate yourself and respond , give input , support other members . Amongst many other things . And are one of the best and highest respected long time members we are fortunate to share this CC with . 
      Thank you Gene for all you do . And thank you for your sentiments . Yes it certainly would be a shame for me to become unhappy and miserable trying to make others happy . 
      Let's all not let that happen . Frustration and disappointment can easily be overcome . 


    Thanks Paul, that means a lot.

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  • harry4364

    307 Posts
    Tue, Feb 2 2016 5:34 PM

    to everyone in this cc,paul is the best you will ever find.he takes all he can and gives more than he should.give him the respect he should get and respond.in laymans terms,get off your a-- and do something.   yours always,harry4364


    • wishman51

      240 Posts
      Tue, Feb 2 2016 5:40 PM

      Hey Paul.  Sorry for your troubles.  i go on to post a clubwide apology for m lack of participation lately.  But it seems apropriate that I ran into this thread first.  I  won't make excuses because they suck.  You and the club deserve much more.  You put yourself out so much it astounds me.
      The fact is that my semester just started and they're killing me.  I'm not sure how much I'm going to be able to step up in the near future.  Lately I've only gotten in a game here and there to decompress and because i really like playing.  My lack of participation embarasses me. 
      I really love being a member of VOTCC and I hope you keep me around but would have no hard feelings if you didn't.  I  wold participate as much as I can.  I have made a lot of friends here.  I wanted to be honest with you and the club

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    • pdb1

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      Tue, Feb 2 2016 5:58 PM

       
        Bill Bill Bill . I have been trying to tell you ., Go ahead and try less hard to play with a CC member . Utilize the " join a game " and " create a game " with friends and strangers . It is just as fun . Play CC tourneys still . We like you Bill . Invites are a biotch all through out WGT . You should know I am not talking about you . You are a GR8 member . 

       CTOCMRet:
       I will tell you spending hours trying to get a match from members - and "you know who you are"

        I don't think they do know who they are . Have you ever messaged them and told them you are trying to connect with them ? If it is me I didn't see any invites . But we have palyed some rounds . 

       wishman51:
      I really love being a member of VOTCC and I hope you keep me around

          Andrew you are in like flint .
        Rob is right about a lot and this too 

       robmurphy4:
      I have seen this letter in many forms as a member of VOTSCC. It always elicits the same response. Those members who always post, proclaim their alligence to both Paul and the CC.

         Yes or apologize because of something . But should know that we have some interaction they they are all Good .

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    • pdb1

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      Tue, Feb 2 2016 6:02 PM

        Oops too late he left . I guess I gotta chase him down now . Ugh .
       

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    • pdb1

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      Wed, Feb 3 2016 4:42 AM

        I don't think Bill was going to be happy unless he got his invites accepted . He took it personally . I know that I played some rounds with him and others . I think it was too much of his focus . Like I said there are other ways to invite and play . With friends and strangers . They can be just as fun . 
        I am going to change something I stated earlier . There really are only about 7 members that I would like to step up more . The remaining majority do show a real effort . Some maybe not all that often But still a noticeable love for the CC . So the ratio is really stronger on the side of the good .
          I think that I will stop expecting input from all the trivial and off the wall information , suggestions , inquiries , efforts to generate discussion , alternatives to the norm , etc . 
        That's just never going to happen . Input anyway . I don't think I will ever stop posting them . I just won't let it bug me that so many go unanswered . 
        Those are usually ways for me to try and boost my own enthusiasm which suffers  and boost yours as well , . But it doesn't work . 
        Overall The CC and most of its members are terrific . And I respect every one of you . Thank you for being part of VOTSCC . 

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    • TinysTeeShot

      255 Posts
      Wed, Feb 3 2016 10:38 AM

      I think it may be WTG a lot, cus I never got invites from him and if I'm green I will only turn down an invite if I am doing my consecutive days, using a pass or have a really good round going. If I'm playing blitz games (50% of the time), I will end it to play someone in a sec. I liked Bill, sry to see him go. :(
      Tiny

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    • pdb1

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      Fri, Feb 5 2016 9:33 PM


       pdb1:

      I am going to change something I stated earlier . There really are only about 7 members that I would like to step up more . The remaining majority do show a real effort . Some maybe not all that often But still a noticeable love for the CC . So the ratio is really stronger on the side of the good .
          I think that I will stop expecting input from all the trivial and off the wall information , suggestions , inquiries , efforts to generate discussion , alternatives to the norm , etc . 
        That's just never going to happen . Input anyway . I don't think I will ever stop posting them . I just won't let it bug me that so many go unanswered . 
        Those are usually ways for me to try and boost my own enthusiasm which suffers  and boost yours as well , . But it doesn't work . 
        Overall The CC and most of its members are terrific . And I respect every one of you . Thank you for being part of VOTSCC . 

          It seems as though I might need to change some other things . Member are dropping like flies . But I don't know what ? Any help ? 
       Trying not to take all this personally . But maybe I should . 
       

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    • CrustyDemon1

      361 Posts
      Sat, Feb 6 2016 1:43 AM


       pdb1:
      Trying not to take all this personally . But maybe I should . 

      Ooooo...sometimes I just wanna.....

      You!

       pdb1:
      Any help ? 

      I'll put my liddle brain to work, and we'll come up with somrthing :-}
      It's not your fault, and you should not take it all personal.
      Kelly
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    • UZiBerlin

      140 Posts
      Sat, Feb 6 2016 5:28 AM

      Value quality more than quantity.

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    • pdb1

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      Sat, Feb 6 2016 2:00 PM


       UZiBerlin:

      Value quality more than quantity.


        Agreed . 
        But no reason not to accept both . 


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