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It's been a while since I expressed some of my objectives for the CC . First of all I like and respect everyone that joins our club . I realize that not everyone knows what a CC is all about . Many have different reasons for joining . I really don't know how many of the other clubs are run . They are all different . What I want to emphasize in our CC is that whatever tier you are . That you feel comfortable here , part of a team of players that come here to find conditions that enable them to improve their game , hone their skills , lower their scores ,lower their averages , move up in tiers . Enjoyably and comfortably with the conditions that challenge them enough to keep that drive without the frustrationsof regular game play . All that is completely possible by either creating those tourneys yourself or by messaging me about it . Or someone else in your tier that has been creating tourneys . Any kind of information that you need to know should be provided here , any kind of appp , calculator , help , tutorial , tournament , statistic , message , opinion , gripe , compliment , etc , etc . Should able to be aqcuired here ( or in our website , as it may be easier there ). With your help , all of this can be done easily . We already have a good start . I am going to be here for a very long time trying to achieve all this . For any of you that think it's a good direction for your CC to go in . Then lets keep on keepin on . Sincerely , Your Co team member PDB1 , Paul ( sitting here on a rare rainy day ) May the SUN always be with you
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Re: Where are the Flags ?By Bertasion in Valley of the Sun Casual Club The other day upon the heather fair I hit a flagstick that was not there. I saw it's shadow and heard the clank but where it stood was just a blank. It was not there again today. I wonder when it will come back and stay. Brian
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PEBBLE BEACH
THE OLYMPIC CLUB
VAHALLA
MERION


WEEK 2

PINEHURST NO.2
HARBOUR TOWN
KIAWAH ISLAND
ROYAL ST. GEORGE
CONGRESSIONAL


WEEK 3

OAKMONT
ST. ANDREWS
BALI HAI
CELTIC MANOR
BETHPAGE BLACK


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PINEHURST NO. 8
WOLF CREEK
CHALLANGE AT MANELE
EXPERIENCE AT KOELE
HILVERSUMSCHE


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EDGEWOOD TAHOE
BEST OF WATER SHOTS
BEST OF FAMOUS SHOTS
BEST OF PUTTING
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You need to play at least 5 ranked rounds as hack before reaching Amateur.
When your average score is equal or smaller than 100 you go from Hack to Amateur.

You need to play at least 10 ranked rounds as amateur before reaching Pro.
When it is equal or smaller than 80 you go from Amateur to Pro..

You need to play at least 20 ranked rounds as Pro before reaching Tour Pro.
When it is equal or smaller than 72 you go from pro to Tour Pro.

You need to play at least 25 ranked rounds as Tour pro before reaching Master.
When it is equal or smaller than 67 you go from Tour Pro to Master.

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When it is equal or smaller than 63 you go from Master to Tour Master.

You need to play at least 50 ranked rounds as Tour Master before reaching Legend.
When it is equal or smaller than 61 you go from Tour Master to Legend.

You need to play at least 500 ranked rounds as Legend to saturated ( average stops going up ) before reaching Tour Legend.
When it is equal or smaller than 60 you go from Legend to Tour Legend.

You need to play at least 200 ranked rounds as Tour Legend to saturate ( average stops going up ).
When it is equal or smaller than 60 you go from Tour Legend to Champion.

You need to play an additional 200 ranked rounds as Tour Legend before reaching Champion.


You need to play another 200 ranked rounds as a Champion to saturate ( average stops going up ).


You need to play an undisclosed number of additional rounds and receive an exclusive personal invitation before reaching Tour Champion.

VOTSCC Handicap Tournments

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Post by azdewars on Mon 20 Mar 2017, 16:29

I have a desire to incorporate a reconized handicap system into VOTSCC where ALL members at  ALL levels can participate in credit tournaments within our CC I won't dwell on the obvious reasons it would benefit all members and be more fun. 
This is no easy task. Frankly, there is no way to handicap a WGT Tourney. Period. Most players here WD from RGs to protect their avg. Others deliberately shoot high scores to sandbag. Some even put in all their scores-good bad ugly. Once you reach a certain number of Ranked Rds in a Tier, your avg will not go up. That's a real problem WGT has.
Example:I can shoot a 58 and my average drops .01. Even in Match Play Tour Legend vs Master--different tees, Champ greens. A very small percentage of WGT players have a true AVG 
My opening proposal is we take the last 10 rounds on a chosen course ALREADY PLAYED,  throw  out the high round and the low round leaving 8 rounds.  We use the course rating and the slope and use the USGA handicap system to establish a handicap and take 90% of the handicap for all levels.  This format should generate very competitve VOTSCC Tournaments with players of all levels given a chance to win. 
You all have to understand why the WGT system is as it is ---> by taking only the best last 10 or 20 games to calculate the avg , they are making sure that players tier up and by doing so , players will end up having to buy better clubs to keep playing well ...all about WGT selling equipments ---> more MONEY in the bank. Just read Patent US7806777 - Automatically adapting virtual equipment model - Google Patents
[url=https://www.google.com/patents/US7806777 !]https://www.google.com/patents/US7806777 ! [/url] 
I like to suggest that its the members decision whether to move forward on this topic or not. Paul and his staff will discuss this proposal and its added value , if any.
The following link is where you enter score that will keep stats, calculate handicap, etc.
MyScorecard Golf Handicap Tracking Service
http://www.myscorecard.com/cgi-bin/index.pl

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Post by pdb1 on Tue 28 Mar 2017, 01:51

@azdewars wrote:I have a desire to incorporate a reconized handicap system into VOTSCC where ALL members at  ALL levels can participate in credit tournaments within our CC I won't dwell on the obvious reasons it would benefit all members and be more fun. 

  John . What are the obvious benefits ? Because I don't think that even if you raise the pecentage that a player would win would generate more interest in this game . With your idea or others . 
  If you hadn't noticed lowering ones average has absolutely nothing to do with winning any kind of match against any different tier . 
  In fact the lowering of ones average is such a battle in itself . And likely what the average WGTer is concerned about . 
  In our CC . The CC tourneys are made in the unlimited play mode . That basically allows it to be considered a practice round that counts on your average . 
  By using the unlimited play feature . One can restart a round until one gets the desired score in relation to his own average and then end the round . Without regard to the score of any other player in that tournament . 
  But if played in a tiered tournament there could be a certain amount of competition . But still the desired result is a score that effects your own average positively . 

  In multi player stroke play matches against strangers . One can pick and play only players at his or her tier level . And play with a very competitive purpose . But these rounds count and no matter how serious you are it is your score that counts on your average . So whether the game ends with you with a -3 32 and your opponent a + 3 38 . Or you a - 3 32 and your opponent a -6 29 . The average for you is the same . If it is important to you to also win these matches . That is fine too . These are free and probably what 90% of WGTers play 
  You mentioned 
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Even in Match Play Tour Legend vs Master--different tees, Champ greens. A very small percentage of WGT players have a true AVG .


  Not sure what you mean but match play doesn't effect ones average in any way. Never has and never will . 
  Please read  9 SHADES OF GREY . 



Your average is a weighted average of 10 from your last 14 rounds (where a round is classed as 18 holes).

Basically they disregard your worst 4 of your last 14 and average the 10 best.

  Based on 18 holes . 

But the reason your average is lower than your best 18 hole score is that 9 holes is also calculated as a full round . Doubling 9 hole scores lowers your average twice as fast . 

  Plus some sort of algorythym calculation that is top secret . 



  My point is that there is no need for a handicap system . There is opportunity for parity if that is what you desire . 
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Post by pdb1 on Tue 28 Mar 2017, 01:53

@azdewars wrote:I have a desire to incorporate a reconized handicap system into VOTSCC where ALL members at  ALL levels can participate in credit tournaments within our CC I won't dwell on the obvious reasons it would benefit all members and be more fun. 

  John . What are the obvious benefits ? Because I don't think that even if you raise the pecentage that a player would win would generate more interest in this game . With your idea or others . 
  If you hadn't noticed lowering ones average has absolutely nothing to do with winning any kind of match against any different tier . 
  In fact the lowering of ones average is such a battle in itself . And likely what the average WGTer is concerned about . 
  In our CC . The CC tourneys are made in the unlimited play mode . That basically allows it to be considered a practice round that counts on your average . 
  By using the unlimited play feature . One can restart a round until one gets the desired score in relation to his own average and then end the round . Without regard to the score of any other player in that tournament . 
  But if played in a tiered tournament there could be a certain amount of competition . But still the desired result is a score that effects your own average positively . 

  In multi player stroke play matches against strangers . One can pick and play only players at his or her tier level . And play with a very competitive purpose . But these rounds count and no matter how serious you are it is your score that counts on your average . So whether the game ends with you with a -3 32 and your opponent a + 3 38 . Or you a - 3 32 and your opponent a -6 29 . The average for you is the same . If it is important to you to also win these matches . That is fine too . These are free and probably what 90% of WGTers play 
  You mentioned 
azdewars
Even in Match Play Tour Legend vs Master--different tees, Champ greens. A very small percentage of WGT players have a true AVG .


  Not sure what you mean but match play doesn't effect ones average in any way. Never has and never will . 
  Please read  9 SHADES OF GREY . 



Your average is a weighted average of 10 from your last 14 stroke play rounds (where a round is classed as 18 holes).

Basically they disregard your worst 4 of your last 14 and average the 10 best.

  Based on 18 holes . 

But the reason your average is lower than your best 18 hole score is that 9 holes is also calculated as a full round . Doubling 9 hole scores lowers your average twice as fast . 

  Plus some sort of algorythym calculation that is top secret . 



  My point is that there is no need for a handicap system . There is opportunity for parity if that is what you desire . 
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