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by **azdewars** Mon 20 Mar 2017, 4:29 pm

I have a desire to incorporate a reconized handicap system into VOTSCC where ALL members at ALL levels can participate in credit tournaments within our CC I won't dwell on the obvious reasons it would benefit all members and be more fun.
This is no easy task. Frankly, there is no way to handicap a WGT Tourney. Period. Most players here WD from RGs to protect their avg. Others deliberately shoot high scores to sandbag. Some even put in all their scores-good bad ugly. Once you reach a certain number of Ranked Rds in a Tier, your avg will not go up. That's a real problem WGT has.
Example:I can shoot a 58 and my average drops .01. Even in Match Play Tour Legend vs Master--different tees, Champ greens. A very small percentage of WGT players have a true AVG
My opening proposal is we take the last 10 rounds on a chosen course ALREADY PLAYED, throw out the high round and the low round leaving 8 rounds. We use the course rating and the slope and use the USGA handicap system to establish a handicap and take 90% of the handicap for all levels. This format should generate very competitve VOTSCC Tournaments with players of all levels given a chance to win.
You all have to understand why the WGT system is as it is ---> by taking only the best last 10 or 20 games to calculate the avg , they are making sure that players tier up and by doing so , players will end up having to buy better clubs to keep playing well ...all about WGT selling equipments ---> more MONEY in the bank. Just read Patent US7806777 - Automatically adapting virtual equipment model - Google Patents
[url=https://www.google.com/patents/US7806777 !]https://www.google.com/patents/US7806777 ! [/url]
I like to suggest that its the members decision whether to move forward on this topic or not. Paul and his staff will discuss this proposal and its added value , if any.
The following link is where you enter score that will keep stats, calculate handicap, etc.
MyScorecard Golf Handicap Tracking Service
http://www.myscorecard.com/cgi-bin/index.pl

Open to any and all comments
john - azdewars

by **Paul** Tue 28 Mar 2017, 1:51 am

azdewars wrote:I have a desire to incorporate a reconized handicap system into VOTSCC where ALL members at ALL levels can participate in credit tournaments within our CC I won't dwell on the obvious reasons it would benefit all members and be more fun.

John . What are the obvious benefits ? Because I don't think that even if you raise the pecentage that a player would win would generate more interest in this game . With your idea or others .
If you hadn't noticed lowering ones average has absolutely nothing to do with winning any kind of match against any different tier .
In fact the lowering of ones average is such a battle in itself . And likely what the average WGTer is concerned about .
In our CC . The CC tourneys are made in the unlimited play mode . That basically allows it to be considered a practice round that counts on your average .
By using the unlimited play feature . One can restart a round until one gets the desired score in relation to his own average and then end the round . Without regard to the score of any other player in that tournament .
But if played in a tiered tournament there could be a certain amount of competition . But still the desired result is a score that effects your own average positively .

In multi player stroke play matches against strangers . One can pick and play only players at his or her tier level . And play with a very competitive purpose . But these rounds count and no matter how serious you are it is your score that counts on your average . So whether the game ends with you with a -3 32 and your opponent a + 3 38 . Or you a - 3 32 and your opponent a -6 29 . The average for you is the same . If it is important to you to also win these matches . That is fine too . These are free and probably what 90% of WGTers play
You mentioned
azdewars
Even in Match Play Tour Legend vs Master--different tees, Champ greens. A very small percentage of WGT players have a true AVG .

Not sure what you mean but match play doesn't effect ones average in any way. Never has and never will .
Please read 9 SHADES OF GREY .

Your average is a weighted average of 10 from your last 14 rounds (where a round is classed as 18 holes).

Basically they disregard your worst 4 of your last 14 and average the 10 best.

Based on 18 holes .

But the reason your average is lower than your best 18 hole score is that 9 holes is also calculated as a full round . Doubling 9 hole scores lowers your average twice as fast .

Plus some sort of algorythym calculation that is top secret .

My point is that there is no need for a handicap system . There is opportunity for parity if that is what you desire .

by **Paul** Tue 28 Mar 2017, 1:53 am

azdewars wrote:I have a desire to incorporate a reconized handicap system into VOTSCC where ALL members at ALL levels can participate in credit tournaments within our CC I won't dwell on the obvious reasons it would benefit all members and be more fun.

John . What are the obvious benefits ? Because I don't think that even if you raise the pecentage that a player would win would generate more interest in this game . With your idea or others .
If you hadn't noticed lowering ones average has absolutely nothing to do with winning any kind of match against any different tier .
In fact the lowering of ones average is such a battle in itself . And likely what the average WGTer is concerned about .
In our CC . The CC tourneys are made in the unlimited play mode . That basically allows it to be considered a practice round that counts on your average .
By using the unlimited play feature . One can restart a round until one gets the desired score in relation to his own average and then end the round . Without regard to the score of any other player in that tournament .
But if played in a tiered tournament there could be a certain amount of competition . But still the desired result is a score that effects your own average positively .

In multi player stroke play matches against strangers . One can pick and play only players at his or her tier level . And play with a very competitive purpose . But these rounds count and no matter how serious you are it is your score that counts on your average . So whether the game ends with you with a -3 32 and your opponent a + 3 38 . Or you a - 3 32 and your opponent a -6 29 . The average for you is the same . If it is important to you to also win these matches . That is fine too . These are free and probably what 90% of WGTers play
You mentioned
azdewars
Even in Match Play Tour Legend vs Master--different tees, Champ greens. A very small percentage of WGT players have a true AVG .

Not sure what you mean but match play doesn't effect ones average in any way. Never has and never will .
Please read 9 SHADES OF GREY .

Your average is a weighted average of 10 from your last 14 stroke play rounds (where a round is classed as 18 holes).

Basically they disregard your worst 4 of your last 14 and average the 10 best.

Based on 18 holes .

But the reason your average is lower than your best 18 hole score is that 9 holes is also calculated as a full round . Doubling 9 hole scores lowers your average twice as fast .

Plus some sort of algorythym calculation that is top secret .

My point is that there is no need for a handicap system . There is opportunity for parity if that is what you desire .