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24 Jun 2021 @ 9:02 PM
"NOT COOL"

 There are some of us that have just a little slower load rendering before the tee . That is the only delay . Mine is about 45 seconds . If you would have waited 5 more seconds . We could have played our round . But a glitch in the system . Unfortunately gives the quitters the win . And in your case , my 100,000 . Coins .

 In the future please be more patient . So a round can be played .

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09 Jul 2021 @ 7:42 AM
"Message for Ladychipper (if you don’t want to read, could you cut & paste it on her wall? Thanks"

Hi, sorry to bother you, but your message is on Ladychippers wall and I can’t seam to write on it.

I merely enquirer about the Xmas trees & messages & why she doesn’t do it for July 4th for her American friends. A lot of my friends have a huge Xmas tree from her and with it being July 5th, I was looking at someone’s stats who I was engaging with in the forums and there was the tree.

So I clicked on her profile and, I thought, asked her quite politely why this was. In hindsight it may be a stupid question, but she wrote me back explaining why, at first quite polite, then ended it quite annoyed asking who I was and what’s it got to do with me.

Of course she’s correct, but if possible, could you just message her saying I was just curious seeing all these Xmas trees and being the day after another huge US holiday, why she didn’t leave messages...which she pointed out why, and I think I even asked in the question if it was cos of the non-Americans and filtering.

I was just asking an off the cuff question whilst I was messing about on the forums, so please tell her I’m sorry if I felt like I was intrusive in anyway.

Thanks, and sorry for involving you. Maybe just cut and paste this onto her wall

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07 Jul 2021 @ 11:47 AM
"Answer To Your Question"

Of course July 4th or independence day is important to me, but Christmas is by far much more important to me and it is worldwide.

I have over 240 friends on here so it is quite an undertaking to post holiday wishes to all of them.

I am wondering how you found me in the first place and what business it is of yours what I do or do not do on WGT?

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Which should have been enough . I did PM message Marion . And told her I would tell him to leave her alone ,


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09 Aug 2021 @ 10:02 AM
""Thank YOU ""
Thank you for the game and thank you for the info. I've added a 9 hole TIER BUSTER Tourney to the club.
You are always welcome to join the club  as a ghost - member and pick up the free shot pal and putter pal.
Also, if you wanted I could appoint you as a Director with permission to create courses, update messages, etc.
Take care -

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08 Aug 2021 @ 1:47 PM
"HEY BUD GOOD GAME "
Thank you for the CC offer . But I have to decline . I am not ready to be in a CC group setting at the moment .
TIP OF THE DAY : WGT has doubled the score of 9 hole ranked rounds . To equal an 18 hole round .
IE :
18 = 72
 9 = 72
  This cuts in half the tiering up time .
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17 Aug 2021 @ 6:52 PM
"Andyson Tourney - Match Play"
Looks like we are matched up agains one another.
looking forward to a fun f9 on Kiawah
I am in eastern time zone
I am available weekdays from 9 am to 11h30 am.
or late at night 11h30 pm after my evening shift
otherwise I am flexible with some notice on weekends.
Pierre Surprised)
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19 Aug 2021 @ 5:54 AM
"Friend Request Sent"
Looks like a 3 hr difference .
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"andyson"
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Post by Paul Wed 25 Aug 2021, 8:14 pm

After deleting my request to friend him . From his wall . I was going to try and straighten out some of the misinformation he was getting from a particular thread . He then left me this message on my wall .

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el3n1
25 Aug 2021 @ 1:49 PM
"F R"
Paul -
I will contemplate your friend request - but you have at times showed little restraint in the forum by your own admission, citing the countless post that don't get approved. So, to be honest, it would feel like opening Pandora's Box to friend you.  I am not sure I really have the time or patience to do so.
And when you start out accusing me of being hypocritical and making assumptions - you really think that is going to win me over?  Where do you think that is going to get you?
My knowledge of the game is backed up by my improvement over the years both in coin rooms and desktop version.  I have been a very good student of the game, actually learning things that could be reflected in my play.  For all you claim to know and share - your game does not reflect that.
It does not make me perfect or without fault or an expert in any facet of the game, but it can suggest I have learned far more than 90% of the people that play the game-- possibly.  But that is a stat I can't confirm, because I don't have inside info from WGT - it is merely a reasonable estimate.
Unlike you I don't claim to be an expert even when I am very knowledgeable on a topic/issue - and for me that is problematic if you can't see grasp that.
give me time, I will weigh your request.

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pdb1
25 Aug 2021 @ 8:10 PM
"WHY AM I NOT SURPRISED "
 It was an offer to discuss a very many things that I felt had been misconstrued . As is now becoming a common discovery  . I find that you are another arrogant , condescending , hater . That has no desire to discuss with me or any interest in the truth of my intentions . Which is not possible in the public forums . 
  So do not worry any about it . I'm sure friending is not possible .


  I then followed with this :


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pdb1
25 Aug 2021 @ 8:26 PM
"I WAS HOPING IT WOULD GET US A CONVERSATION"
@el3n1
And when you start out accusing me of being hypocritical and making assumptions - you really think that is going to win me over?  Where do you think that is going to get you?
@pdb1
  First I did not accuse you at that time . But your forum posts were presumptuous and condescending at the very least . I had no idea that you are as bad as the trolls . Until I read your response on my wall .
  Everything in that thread ( and others ) has been baited and misconstrued and taken out of context . And there is no fixing that in the forums .
  But now I do not want to fix it with you .

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el3n1
25 Aug 2021 @ 9:32 PM
"Forget it..."
I was genuinely weighing the option of hearing you out, but your rash and hateful wall post, suggest my concerns were quite valid.
I dont need my wall cluttered with hate.  I have been honest and sympathetic to your plight but you can not even see that.  You just closed a door, i considered opening.  Nice job, you pushed another person away.


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Allqvie
28 Aug 2021 @ 4:28 PM

"friend request"

Hi mate, Ive sent you a friend request. Are you on discord or Skype? Easier to communicate anywhere but here lol. Looking forward to our match..

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28 Aug 2021 @ 1:11 AM

"HOWDY"

I got the last 2nd chance spot in the match play vs you Merion bk 9 . Look forward to setting it up .


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01 Dec 2021 @ 2:46 PM
"Why are you sitting here w/o a club"
I know you from years here, You were a member here once. Take the invite and Chill...LJ.
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03 Dec 2021
"Hello"
  I took some medical time off 4 years ago . When I returned VOTSCC had been closed . Ever since I just haven't felt ready to join another group . Maybe I will some time .
Thanks.
Take care .
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pdb1 wrote "Hello HamdenPro"
Friday, 03 Dec 2021
  I just want to tell you . That it is such a pleasure to read your refreshing , hilarious , insightful posts in these Forums . It has been quite sometime since anyone so level headed contributed in the Forums . A breath of fresh air .
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03 Dec 2021 @ 9:42 PM
"Trophy"
Thank you for the trophy. It is perfect the way it is, no need to make a different one.
You are the first person on WGT to ever describe me as level headed...lmao. Often, it seems quite the opposite. I must be the only such member (being so level headed) that is eternally on moderation!!!!
Your acknowledgment is greatly appreciated.



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HamdenPro
04 Dec 2021
"Reason 4 Everything, I think"
 
It is possible, having no ability to self-moderate, I may need moderation. My question is who is moderating the moderator moderating me? If was moderating the moderator moderating me, I would make sure they are on moderation.
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"HAPPY HOLIDAYS"

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pdb1
28 Dec 2021
"HOW TO HOOK UP AND PLAY FRIENDS"
  Communication is the key . You have the ability to now PM ( private message ) the people on your friends list .
  Once you establish time frames and formats between you and your friend(s) .
  You then go to the game client and " CREATE A GAME " . Invite your friends when they are on . And have a good time .
  " CREATE A GAME " is not just for friends . Random players can be very fun and entertaining and competitive .
  Good luck

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Kellkol10
29 Dec 2021
"Inviting friends "
 Thank you for your tips on my wall You mentioned “You then go to the game client and " CREATE A GAME " . Invite your friends when they are on “
I play on an a IPad with the app, Is this process on the app or more on a PC.
Sorry to bother you with this but am relatively new to the game
Thanks
Kellie



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pdb1
29 Dec 2021
"APP DIFFERENCES"
Hi Kellie .
There are little differences in the apps . But I don't think it effects multiplayer .
See if this helps :

HOW TO CREATE A GAME IN THE APP


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29 Dec 2021
"Thanks "
Thanks for all your help Kellie


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30 Dec 2021
"ANYTIME"
Hope it helped
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HamdenPro
08 Jan 2022
"Chin Up!"
Although I am fairly new to the forums, I have learned that the forums are what is best, and worst, of WGT. You give some punches, you take more, you get knocked down. What you do after that is up to you. Whether you choose to reply or move on is within your control, and yours alone.
Whatever you decide to do, Keep Your Chin Up.
At the end of the day, the only person you need to like you is you.
HP



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08 Jan 2022
"Thank you"
Good advice .
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pdb1
08 Jan 2022
"WHAT I KNEW"
excerpt from one of my posts .
@pdb1 wrote "
  I have become very interested in this new crop of players transitioning from Mobile to WGT.com .This group has become very skilled . Even with their tiering and averages all over the place .
  This is the result of WGT not informing these newer Mobile players of the
BASICS FOR TIERING AND SATURATION .
  No mention to them about ranked rounds . Or even that they can find information at [url=WGT.com/forums][/url]WGT.com/forums .
  It has created a huge disparity . These highly skilled players are starting to find this missing information that will allow them to lower their averages , tier up properly , and acquire better equipment .
  Once all that starts leveling out . I foresee a huge presence of a new better generation of players . Probably take a few years .



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09 Jan 2022
"Thanks "
Hi, thanks for the info. Much appreciated
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20 Jan 2022
"Re: Friend request"
Hello Paul. I sent you a friend request because I would like to speak with you private. Feel free to delete.
Thank you  Dave
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23 Jan 2022
"internet service"
"I just happen to live in a very dead WIFI zone . Not able to get ethernet hard wire type WIFI yet in my area . But I am working on that . I have to settle for Satellite WIFI . And it stinks ."
saw this in one of your forum posts. I was in the same boat till November. Thought I might suggest Starlink. I average 200+ down and 30 up with 25-30 pings. NOT good for shootem's but works great for most everything else. There is a short wait time for service, but it is getting better.
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24 Jan 2022
"THANKS FOR THE INFO"
I'll look into Starlink .
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"boeling"





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02 Feb 2022
"THANK YOU"
For the video . It has been added to " Boelings " https://www.valleyofthesuncc.com/t2877-boeling-kick-ass-replays#13112 .
It can also be seen on THE NEW LONG WALL .
Thank you
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08 Feb 2022
"Wink"
wgt block me  bye old friend
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pdb1
on 08 Feb 2022 at 2:41 PM
They are very rude . I know you just enjoyed the game . They should leave you alone .
They have done it before . SOME OF OUR FRIENDS DELETED BUT NOT FORGOTTEN
Good luck
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24 Apr 2022
"Merion"
Thanks! Hope the real trophy looks as good as that ;-)
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15 Mar 2022
"ihi"
im not on every day ,,as i am in hospital ,,i sent friend request ..ill be here all day today
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29 Apr 2022
"YT vids"
"You have 1 or more WGT Flash Replays converted to YouTube videos . Click HERE . Find your name in the 3 pages . Click your name . Each link is a YT video . Enjoy" 

In response: I say thank you!. Honored.

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"Merion"
Thanks! Hope the real trophy looks as good as that ;-)

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IamNicklaus
17 May 2022
"In addition"
Don't be dictated to by her or anyone what content you should or shouldn't have on your own website . I don't see anything extreme on there and the simple fact is , if she or anyone else finds anything offensive then they don't have to visit it ...simple really .  
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17 May 2022
"Not a big fan of yours "
But your latest post on funniest  thing on wgt , in particular to Hamdenpro is spot on ..looking for any opportunity to pick on you with snidey comments  and then trying to use some bs about dubious material on your website  to kinda justify  the behaviour .  It's creating drama  when there isnt any to attention seek .  The same can be said about numerous other trolls on the forum who are responsible for making it the underused  cesspit it is .
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I think that the CDP's are some of the most difficult acheivements here in WGT . Finding it hard to reach 100 days myself . Having done that over a half a dozen times lol .
But 1000 , 2000 , 3000 and now 4000 consecutive days played is nearly unimagineable for most of us .
The few elite dedicated outstanding players I am aware of are :

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Which led me to create this controversal award for her .

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As she continues to be a leader . She reaches another Unassailable mark . Incredible !
Hope you like it .
CONGRATS .

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P.S. My color pallette disappeared in my photoshop . That is why the reds are now pink . But 2022 is supposed to be pink Listee . .
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Kalliste
31 May 2022
"Thanks Paul"
What a brilliant 4000 CDP Trophy you made for me.
Thank you so much, I am in awe of what you can make!
Listee
xo
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21 Sep 2022
"Pete"
Pete is actually a very very long time member of MMCC.  He, and everyone else in MMCC fall under certain categories (rookie, veteran, member) because of permissions allowed.  Pete actually has all permissions afforded owner, hence he is technically an owner.
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Badputter01
28 Oct 2022

"Friend list"
Thanks for your input in the forum. My list seems to have resolved itself. And now I can cope with my 16 friends instead of 16 x 2. Any thoughts about not being able to see the accumulative monthly win / loss / ties that used to be available?
cheers, David.

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pdb1
28 Oct 2022


"HI DAVID"
I think because of their silence on the matter . That is was an inadvertent error during the upgrade . Many WGTers will be none too happy about the loss of the W-L record .
Unless they are incapable of recovering it . ( which would not surprise anyone ) . They will try to re-enable it .
Good luck .

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Badputter01
28 Oct 2022

"Win loss tie"
It appears an error was made, which WGT has acknowledged. Hopefully they will repair the glitch and all will be well (with the World) shortly. Stay safe, have fun and don’t let the barst**ds grind you down.
Regards,
David.


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pdb1
03 Nov 2022



"EYE ROLLERS"

You can find your topic THE ULTIMATE ROLL YOUR EYES LIST .

In the forum VALLEY OF THE FUN TEASERS


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04 Nov 2022



"Eye rollers"
Thanks ...it's a work in progress ..after battling  with ( and losing ) , todays addition to the list is Clingfilm ..Smile

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"HAPPY TO KEEP IT UPDATED"
CHEERS
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ct690911


""Why Bother" thread"
I honestly think the OP was referring to someone else. I won't name him here, but he spams continually. Usually with irrelevant info. You, however, stay on topic and try to give an appropriate answer.
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13 Nov 2022

"OOPS I GUESS"
I kinda jumped the gun there
. And thanks .
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Stemoy83
16 Nov 2022



"The Green Regulators "
Hi mate,
Our Captain thought I should invite you to our wonderful club. It’s a casual place to play WGT your way without the hassles. We play clash and turf, lots in-house cc tournaments as well as communication through discord for alt shot and socially. A lot of our members play WGT tournaments as well.  There’s no expectation to play anything except your daily pass for Xp points. The rest is up to you. If this sounds like a place for you, come have a look, invite sent. 
take care. Steve TGR

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19 Nov 2022


"INVITE"
Looks like a GR8 CC . Thank you for the invite . I am not quite ready to be in a group again just yet .
Thank you
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Post by Paul Mon 28 Nov 2022, 8:51 pm

TO : Gaxman20



The guy I just played .




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pdb1
28 Nov 2022
"DID YOU KNOW"
That players like you . With no sportsmanship , no love of the game , quitters rather than playing 30 more seconds to let your opponent finish a 3 hole round .


Is what is wrong with the game these days . It is a bigger problem than ever before . And one of many that are making this game harder to handle .


Think about it would you ? Rethink your approach . I can tell you , you will enjoy yourself more .
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Dneirf
14 Dec 2022

"Goals and Achievements"
I have sent you an country club invitation along with an friend request so that we may privately discuss the idea and plan that I have to further improve the launching and effectiveness of your awards project in regards to the wall postings of awards on players profile pages while also improving the popularity and membership of my country club.
Sincerely,
-Dneirf (Owner - Goals and Achievements)


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"Hi "
Friend Request Accepted .
Paul


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22 Dec 2022

"Docs Place"
Thanks for your support. It's greatly appreciated.
Scott

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27 Dec 2022


"Of course"
Your CC has always been one of the good ones .
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Krietlow

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28 Jan 2023


"Hey Bud"
Saw the friend request . Long time man . How you been ?
Paul

Still on his wall . Very cool .

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pdb1
03 Mar 2015

"Hey Bud "
  Could I ask you to play just a little more CC play when your on please ?
  Thanx 
  Paul


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29 Sep 2014
"Participation Appreciation Award"
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pdb1
31 Jan 2023


"Hello Sir"
Please check out this link .





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31 Jan 2023
"Hello PDB1!!!"
Thank you so much for the link. I have been thinking about my current CC lately and how inactive it is. Your post makes me feel better to go search for another one! Thank you again!!


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31 Jan 2023

"How can I forget! "
Also thank you for the first post trophy!!! 😁




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31 Jan 2023

"Your Welcome"

That's Cool 

CHEERS


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pdb1
03 Feb 2023
"HELLO MISS"
 
Nantre0 wrote :
" I did 1 post today then I got a message too many posts in 1 day?" .
.Yes this is possible and even real . I think the defaul limit is 5 . But as has happened to
me many times . 1 or 2 could trigger that message .
Cheers
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04 Feb 2023
"DEAR KIND SIR PAUL"
Dear Sir Paul
First of all I want to thank you from the bottom of my ❤ for reaching out to me. I admire the endless work what guys like yourself, SCOTTHOPE and WGTNICO do  for all of us on WGT.
We would be so lost if it wasn't for all the tips and advice from u guys.
Thank you for taking the time to post to me...very much appreciated.  (just a fair warning...I have u on speed dial now)🤣🤭
Keep up the great work  ❣
Nanz
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04 Feb 2023
"YOU'RE QUITE WELCOME"
And thank you as well .
Please enjoy
NANTRE0's KICK ASS REPLAYS
CHEERS

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04 Feb 2023
"U too Funny"
U too funny Paul❣🤣😂
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05 Feb 2023
"Lolll"
IKR 🤣🥰❣


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06 Feb 2023
"Friends in high places ❣"
Yay me. Ty ty very much Paul for being my friend that looks out for me 🤩


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14 Feb 2023
"HAPPY VALENTIN'S DAY PAUL"
Dear Paul  
Thanks for all the help and advice.   The world sure could do with more kind and helpful people like u❣ Have a great day.
Nanz
❤

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14 Feb 2023
"You're quite welcome"
To you and your's and your CC

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22 Feb 2023
"Going to Phoenix"
Hello Paul.  I am going to Phoenix on Friday.   We are leaving Western Canada on Friday so won't be there until Monday or Tuesday.  I would like to get a hold of you or anyone else in the area while there and meet up for a coffee, or other beverage.  I did that one time before and met a fellow from WGT that I don't see on line any more.. Ducanti.   If you have a cell number I can call, I can text you when I get there and am free to meet up.  We will be staying in Sun Lakes for a week or so.   Then a few days in Mesa.   And maybe even Casa Grande.   Talk to you later.  HK.

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"HEY HENRY"
Got your message .
All things are go .
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IamNicklaus
24 Mar 2023
"Why do you even bother"
With the numbskulls on the forum ?   Anyone with any sense of fairness and decency , can see quite clearly that what they are doing with you  is nothing short of bullying  and wgt continue to let it persist.
It's an extremely toxic , ugly place and the perpetrators are very  sad creatures . It's debatable whether any of my recent comments regarding these creatures even pass moderation , but as usual no surprise there as this new mod doesn't do anything until the " gang" get challenged .
In summary , giving up on the forum isn't letting them win , merely taking back some of your life , and eliminating the constant barrage of abuse ...think on those words .


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24 Mar 2023
"TRUE WORDS"
Toxic it is for sure . I know this . Can't explain the the irrational responding though . Trying to quit .
Thanks
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Solarflares
24 Mar 2023
"Coin Players and Personal Sanity"
The introduction of apparel has polarised the whole site into two distinct camps. It is clear that WGT have no interest in a fair-play , level platform - where dedication and skill are needed. There is still fun to be had if one plays the old-fashioned way , and avoids coin-rooms totally. Sandbagging is a capital offence in WGT - yet they turn a blind eye to all this activity in the coin-rooms due to the vast income it generates. It is certainly a form of cheating to be a level 100 Tour-Pro with 1000’s of rounds of experience. Surely you can see that. When you add apparel benefits and red-tees to the equation , it gets really into the realms of bare-faced cheating.
As you may remember , I decided to turn Legend at level70 , after trying black-tees for a few trial rounds. My equipment was quite poor , but -4 was do-able. So I turned , and then played my way to TL in one year. My aim was to win the heavily contested TL St A monthly tourney - which I eventually did with a 53 round. Not many , if any , would have the guts and temerity to follow my path - which is why I am most qualified here to evaluate other’s performance , and their sometimes sudden rise to leaderboard scores way beyond what their stat-level would indicate. Please accept that there are areas of this game where clever individuals can utilise severe sandbagging methods to secure constant income , and nothing will ever be done to change this - due to WGT laughing all the way to the bank , as usual.
I no longer compete , and play casually now and again. Alts , Matchplay , and the odd scored round for nostalgia value. That’s where I am. If things changed for the better , I would be all over the leaderboards. But when WGT constantly manipulate equipment-performance so visibly ,  there is literally no point in putting in my time and effort , only to have the rug pulled from under my feet at a crucial point in a round. Yes , of course I could play through any difficulties in a round. But basically I will not be taken for a fool , by a video-game purveyor - who really just wants my money , and offers no stability in their daily performance. The use of cheap ,poor servers , with low-bandwidth , being a constant since time began.


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pdb1
25 Mar 2023
"WELL SAID"
That's certainly a very popular and justified take on things .
Thank you .
<^^><^^><^^><^^><^^>

In his first post above . I really didn't sense that he was hostile or even someone I shouldn't talk to .

After I posted the response above . I friend requested him .

He deleted my post . Then blocked me .

Then posted this on my wall .

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Solarflares
25 Mar 2023
"Dualism"
I do not accept friend requests from others - especially toxic , two-faced old fools - addicted to the forum.  I also do not tolerate manipulation of the game in order to obtain uprated equipment way beyond the tier the sandbagger belongs to. But it seems to now be the new modus operandi for new-starters. Yes , this means that there are currently thousands of sandbagging scum shooting from red-tees , with level 100 clubs. Sad that the game promoted this. But even sadder that you yourself praise such an aspiring , game-killing clown in the forum today , especially after my careful post on your wall - which I assume you read?
Heads up for you. Yiannis1970 was WGT’s worst ever sandbagger. Young46 was a re-starter/multi.  Those in my old circle were aware of this. How come you were not? The easy answer is that no-one thought you were worth telling at the time. Your forum posts prove this point. 
Go ahead by all means , and groom the next generation of coincunts , handing out trophies for merely having a pulse. But my twilight years will not be spent condoning your narcissistic behaviour. Consider yourself lucky I even glanced at you this one time.

-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_

This is typical of these types .

They throw around a bunch of very narrow accusations and negative comments about the topic and other people .

Rather than discussing any of it . They block themselves from having further conversations .

I really don't know what a narcissis is or does .

But I suspect he would be close .


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Solarflares
25 Mar 2023
"Yes you are blocked"
There is no “my type”. I am quite unique , both in life and in this game’s ethos. There is nothing to discuss between us. I have not trolled or bullied you. Carry on as you are , but today’s performance shows your persistent fair-weather bias , and as such , you have proved that you have nothing tangible for another to build upon. By all means put this in your blog.

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Oh no worries I will post it here . It will be the closest attempt at having a real conversation with you . That you will allow .


TYPES

I am sure you are unique . No doubt . Props . Wouldn't ever dispute that .

What I meant by types . Is you are one of many highly opinioned WGTers that make very long accusatory statements . Then will not friend . Will not engage in a conversation .
Immediately blocking me .

As though I am a threat . Someone who would be harmful to allow a conversation with .

Someone who may return the insults and degrading , condescending remarks .

Always assuming the worst .

Never giving me a chance one way or another .

When in fact . I would always prefer to engage in a nonconfrontational conversation .

Perhaps challenging some of your allegations . Interested in your points of view .

This seems to be a foriegn concept for many of you unique individuals .

As I have in fact no history whatsoever . Of retaliating or responding in any negative or insulting manners . EVER .

I don't believe in it and I don't practice it . Never have .

So your fears are unpresidented with no basis .

That being said there are at least half a dozen different cases . Exactly like this .

That is why I say " types " .

As I am easily as unique as you .

BTW . Friending in WGT can mean many things . But what is most important is that it opens a media of PM's . Private Messaging .

An oppoprtunoty to carry on conversations in private .

Not on blast . Not on a wall or a blog , or a forum thread .

That is my only intention when requesting a friend invite in these cases .


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Solarflares
03 Apr 2023
"Yes"
You aren’t blocked.
I’ve battled illness for 8 years. Began playing WGT in 2015 when I first came out of hospital. Now looks like it’s over , and I’ve deteriorated fast.So I’ve rented a cabin , and am going off-grid for my final months.



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"Wish you and yours the best"


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03 Apr 2023
"Thanks"
Be cool



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"YOU BE/STAY COOL AS WELL SIR ."

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Post by Paul Fri 28 Apr 2023, 7:34 pm

Dneirf sent you the following message:
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Subject:A DIGITAL TROPHY FOR YOU


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28 Apr 2023
"A DIGITAL TROPHY FOR YOU"
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__--__--__--__--__--__--
Posts this on my wall . But I go to respond and of course I am blocked .


The above response from Dnierf . Was in response to the below comment in the forums .

But It was meant as no offense and to clear up any question that accolades , compliments , trophies , etc . Do not need permission to be bestowed upon worthy recipients .
I guess he had a problem with it .



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You want to send or gift me a trophy you created? First send a friend request, If I accept the friend request then you can send the trophy to me through the private messaging system. Then if I decide to post the trophy in the Blog of my Profile Page that is my prerogative, not yours!.

.Out of the thousands of trophies that I created for 10 years . 100% of them were in good taste . With the intent to honor and recognize remarkable achievements .
In all of those . I know of a couple that just deleted them . For whatever reason . And another one recently that claimed that the incredible high accomplishment that I awarded him for was not a valid achievement . He is the only one that felt that way .
If I were still making trophies . I would not first send a friend request . I would post it on your wall . That is my prerogative . They are public awards for public achievements . Chances are you would be proud of it and not have a problem with it .
None of my awards were related to any players personal gifts or purchases or anything private . I don't look or care about any of that . And never have .



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gonfission
04 Jul 2023
"KARMA comes to town"
Update from paul . I wish someone would stand up to those trolls . . I am still being completely trolled . craig . My wife had a stroke on 6/10/2023 . Her 3rd . And a real bad one . It was embolic . And damaged her speech motors and memory . It will take a long recovery . I am now her caregiver and spokesperson . But the company i have been working for the last 4 years just went out of business . Now I am totally f u c k e d . I am looking for work . But i have to stay with my wife for now . We will be evicted again . Just like 4.5 years ago when I tore both rotator cuffs . But I am 64 now . And aging fast . We won't last on the streets . I am tryinmg everything I can think of . It's really hell right now craig . Then WGT pulls this for nothing ? Straining my nerves to say the least .
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA chuckle, chortle, HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
I love it when people beat themselves up. It is so much easier than me doing it personally. You should have paid back some of the money for a parachute in the future. LIKE NOW
I wonder how many people actually believe you after the last time you pulled this stunt.
Don't complain that you did NOT see this coming...
EVERYONE in here knew this was coming
Godspeed for your Wifes recovery
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pdb1
on 04 Jul 2023 at 7:45 PM

I can't stop you from sharing what I message you . But to show it to Joe ? He is why I am banned to begin with . The most pathethic cry baby flame baiter in WGT . It is because of his whiny ass that I originally got moderated for 5 years . After he shredded me in the forums . And then complained to Icon .



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04 Jul 2023
"KARMA comes to town"

EVERYONE in here knew this was coming

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Everyone in that narcissus little circle of tunnel vision , narrow minded trolls . That can't see anything past their own words .

Everyone else does not celebrate the crises of others . They do not relish other peoples misery . They do not contribute to the set up and downfall of others . Who have never hurt them or said a word to them .

No . You are a special lot . Don't expect any others to relate to your sickness .
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27 Jun 2022
"HAPPY B DAY"
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pdb1
04 Jul 2023
"Hello Sir "
It is crazy I was your last post . I see you are nearing your 4000 CDP . I had stopped making trophy's . But I made one for you . I submitted it early . Because I thought it might have trouble getting through .
They have locked me out . And determined that I am the problem . They think I am someone that I am not .
If you never get your trophy . I congratulate you .
Duh ! I'll just post it here . Lol .


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11 Jul 2023
"Trophy "
Thank you for the 4000 day trophy. I really appreciate it. 
Joe


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"You're Welcome Sir"
Well deserved


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tramilleo
16 Jul 2023
"Banned?"
They banned you and wiped all of your 25,000+ posts, Brutal   what did you do




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pdb1
16 Jul 2023
"I did Nothing"
Some one told me to STFU . I said it back . They said it didn't matter who said it first or how many times . That I said it back . That was my last violation . ( didn't know I had any ) . Banned and locked forever . FOREVER .
Take care .
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16 Jul 2023

"New email "
Thanks very much for your email to me. I can’t believe what WGT did it to u. I’ve posted on WGT forum and hope they will allow that. It’s truly so unforeseen and unfair There will always be haters BUT all your friends knows u are the greatest on WGT ….always helping out and speak the truth !! All the best to u Paul. May the sun always on your back. Best wishes to u my my dear friend. U are a great person ❣. Nanz 🥰💥👊🏻💥❣



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16 Jul 2023

"Thank You Nanz"
CHEERS

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Post by Paul Sun 30 Jul 2023, 6:34 am

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pdb1
Earlier

The analogy about the closer tees and the gimmies is not quite correct . The lower tiers will play well but they have no advantages that will allow them to win any tourneys .
Rather than call it stroke play rounds that need to be played to tier up . It is actually Ranked Rounds . That are needed .
EX : Multiplayer stroke play , Bracket rounds , ready go's , and the most played format Single Player Unlimited Play Tiered Stroke Play .
These are available as WGT Tiered rounds . And re the same as CC Single player unlimited play rounds .
The WGT rounds are all played on the course default sttings .
The CC rounds can be customized .
The unlimited play feature . Allows one to restart the round at any time while playing if the round is not going well . These Ranked Rounds only count if you finish the 9 holes . ! - 9 or 10 - 18 . Nothing happens to your average if you do not complete the round .
So the idea is to only complete rounds that are at or below your average . Until you have saturated in your tier .
Once that happens . ALL rounds completed above your average are automatically discarded . Therefore your average can only stay the same or go down . Until you reach the next tier . Then your average will change . Based on a round played at the new tier . Usually a higher score than your average at the previous tier .
You then start your saturation all over again . Being careful not to post too many .  high scores until you saturate . then the next tier cycles and so on .
That's the basic idea . Ranked Rounds .
Coin room rounds are stroke play . But are not ranked and will not count toward your average .

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couchpot
30 Jul 2023
"Showdowns"
I was only talking about Showdowns in the thread titled as such I was asking how to change the tier level in there e.g. from Rookie 180 credits to something else.  Yet to get an answer.  Also, and I don't mind at all, but in these Showdowns low tiers do tee off closer than higher tiers.  I see Level 90+ Master tier players etc (with great gear) which to me show they play regularly but have not gone up tiers - I can only guess why because it would depend on their play experience.  I'd prefer to discuss in the forum but thanks for your efforts.



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pdb1

So I sent a friend request I don't want to post on your wall . and clutter it up . Better to PM . You are right about the lower tiers hitting fom closer tees . With better equipment .
What I said above is
@PaulWrote " about the closer tees and the gimmies is not quite correct " .

I didn't mean you were wrong . And yes . You will see a lot more of them gathered at the SD's .

See . About the question(s) that didn't get answered . That's because what you asked .
Isn't clear and may not happen .

There usually are 3 Groups that play in the SD's . Rookie , Veteran , Expert . But since the last SD I played was at the beginning of July . And thery were switching around the matching . I haven't looked . So it might be different now .

But I think you might be asking how to change Coin Rooms .

I'll wait to find out .


couchpot wrote:
I have been searching but cannot work out how to change tiers within the Showdown events.  For example Paris 180 coins to something else. Can someone please explain how?
As far as the rest of the discussion goes IMHO it seems to move tiers in general play you need to play Stroke games.  Many of the players in these Showdowns who are in lower tiers are very good players with excellent gear - but have not levelled up because they do not play Stroke play games.  Then at a lower tier they get to tee off on closer tee spots and 'gimmies' further from the hole.  It could be argued (not sure I'd agree) that it is unfair on the higher tiered players.
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HenryKawa
10 Aug 2023
"HELLO PAUL"
- Great seeing you Paul.  I wish you were still able to access the forums.  You've been a very influential person in the forums over the years.  I've learned a lot from you -you helped me a lot.  You always have the right answers.  
- I will continue to lobby for you to the right people.    Hang in there sir. 


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20 Aug 2023
"THANK YOU HENRY"
I always appreciate your support .
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RichJohn
20 Aug 2023
"Rizzdon07"
Here is an example of your Showdown discussion.   16 under, first tournament ever played in, .50 earnings, Amateur level. joined on 8/18/23 and has all top tier equipment?   Not sure how WGT is going to police this but it clearly is going on!
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pdb1
20 Aug 2023
"BIG RED FLAG"
That certainly is a BIG RED FLAG if I have ever seen one . This guy should be reported .
Of course you know WGT has banned me from the forums forever . Hidden all my post from public view .
I cannot be of any help .
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22 Aug 2023
"Showdowns"
Thanks pdb1  your advice helped.
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Taz7466
13 Sep 2023
"Learn how to read!"
Before you try to give advice, make sure you understand the issue. Leave your opinions where they belong.. in a dark cave.


This WGTer . Started in Sep 2021 .



I understood quite well .



I read a post where he had given away his CC . Then found WGT would not let him start a new one .



He was offering a sleeve of balls for someone to start a CC for him .



So I posted some very helpful links on his wall . A lot of information he would have no way of knowing .



I was just trying to be helpful .



He would just assume not to be helped . Obviously .



His post and WGT's response .




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Taz7466
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Tue, Sep 12 2023 1:09 PM

I recently gave away a level 16 Country Club, so I could start a new one & not make the same mistakes I did in my previous creation.
But, naturally, WGT has a bug that won't let me start a new club, and support says, yeah, we know about that, don't hold your breath for a fix.
Is someone is willing to create a club for me, using a name I will provide (don't want an established club), then give me ownership, I will gift that person a sleeve of Bridgestone Tour B X Ultra Slow Meter Balls, value 300cr.
It only costs 50Cr to start a new club, so it is a pretty good deal. You can either choose to remain in the club as a founding member, or leave.
Send me a friend request if interested & we can work out the details.




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Wed, Sep 13 2023 8:58 AM

Hey so it seems you're stuck between clubs. I wasn't able to manually remove you from it, but I did report your name over internally for an engineer to remove you when they have the time
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Taz7466
13 Sep 2023
"Learn how to read!"
Before you try to give advice, make sure you understand the issue. Leave your opinions where they belong.. in a dark cave.


This WGTer . Started in Sep 2021 .



I understood quite well .



I read a post where he had given away his CC . Then found WGT would not let him start a new one .



He was offering a sleeve of balls for someone to start a CC for him .



So I posted some very helpful links on his wall . A lot of information he would have no way of knowing .



I was just trying to be helpful .

_-_-_-_-_-_-_-

So like most of these knowitalls .

He deleted my post on his wall . Then blocked me . Then sent me the message above .

Typical .

What he doesn't know and will never know . Is I understood him all too well .

And have enough experience and knowledge to make his head swim .

His loss .
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pdb1
15 Sep 2023
"MORE THAN YOU THINK"
BINGOBEN wrote :
" Does anyone have an idea of the apprx number of clubs that play Clash these days? "
I can only guess that the number is higher now . But in 2017 there were 5000 CC's entering each CLASH .
There is an estimated excess of 60,000 CC's in total .

Please see

How many CC's are there?



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Post by Paul Sat 16 Sep 2023, 4:45 pm

Don't want to open a can of worms  FROM THE WGT.com/forums . 

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    BingoBen
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    Sat, Sep 2 2023 11:15 AM

    Does anyone have an idea of the apprx number of clubs that play Clash these days?


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    Rick6208
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    Fri, Sep 15 2023 8:04 AM

    My guess is that those that play in a meaningful manner is approximately 200
    Just a guess !


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    JohnKokopeliRidg
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    Fri, Sep 15 2023 12:50 PM

    Hi all, 
    Haven't posted in quite awhile but I think it m ay be less than that!  During almost EVERY CLASH Event we, Monarchs of the Glens,  lvl 9, just 42 plyrs end up being matched with the same club TWICE  & once or twice we got stuck w sa e club THREE times ! ! !
    It's bad enough to get stuck with level 18,19 even 20 clubs which happens WAAY TO often to be  """LUCK of the DRAW""" ...the pairing of clubs is NOT & NEVER HAS been done to match clubs with similar capabilities of clubs in any waay shape or form.  We end up being paired with clubs of 100, 200, 250 members during every CLASH EVENT! ALSO, it's common to be paired with clubs with many many Tour Champions, Champions & Tour Legends !!! We have 1 Tour Champion, 2 Tour Legends & 9 Legends and generally only have 2 - 4 or 5 players at most playing in a particular clash match.
    Anyway , just my rant about pairing being not done with much or any sorting of skills, scoring history or capability or numbers of players or numbers of participating players...
    Also my understanding that it's been this way with no changes or improvements ever!
    Thanks for listening. Probly won't even see this posted...
    JohnKokopeliRidg




Oh they saw it . I can't post in the WGT.com/forums . 

So here is the tea . 

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pdb1
16 Sep 2023
"Hello Sir "
In 2017 . I got a response from Member Services . That said that 5000 CC's enter each CLASH .
Please read this link .
Have a GR8 day .



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Rick6208
16 Sep 2023
"Club Clash Event "
I agree that maybe 5000 enter but only about 200 Clubs play it in a meaningful way 
my opinion

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pdb1
16 Sep 2023
"There are many that take it seriously . "
Quite a few thousand CC's take it seriously in each CLASH .
It used to be that the top 100 CC's received any sort of prize or award . I think it is now the top 200 CC's . Then you consider the hundreds of CC's that came close . Then multiply that times the 10 CC's they played . That's well over 3000 CC's minimum .


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EDIT :
Over the 48 hour CLASH . There are 11 possible CLASHES to play . Generally 11 different CC's
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Let's say that 3000 CC's entered a CLASH . Each CC playing the maximum 11 CLASHES .

That is a possible 33,000 CLASH matches .

I think it is much more than that .

To go a little further with that estimate . Say that each of those CC's only had 10 members playing in each CLASH .

That would make the number of CLASH rounds at 330,000 . Minimally .

I personally played in 76 CLASHES . Playing against well over 600 different CC's .

Each CLASH we had approximately 20 members playing in each of the 11 CLASHES .

Each CLASH in our CC alone . Each player would play at least 5 rounds . That is 1100 rounds at least . Per CLASH ( 48 hours ) . Some members played many many more than 5 rounds in each individual CLASH  .

We were only a 50 member CC . There were many 250 member CC's that we played against . With the numbers of our 50 member CC so high . Just think of the numbers for the 250 member CC's .
In each individual CLASH

In the entire 48 hour 11 CLASH event .

Those numbers are in the millions and quite staggering .

It is those events like " THE WEEKLY " , Turf Wars , etc &  " THE CLASHES " . With PASS & BALL sales . That made WGT financially relevant .

Without that WGT would have remained virtually unknown .

But still a GR8 game .


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ozysouthpaw
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Mon, Sep 9 2019 2:13 AM
G'day all.
I'm hoping any Country Club owners can provide some assistance.
I am a CC owner by transfer and do not have the option to pin or un-pin Country Club forum threads.
I have contacted Customer Service asking to have the option to pin/unpin those threads and they have come back to me asking for screenshots on what I see when trying to pin/unpin ...
The problem is that I can't provide screenshots of something that is not there in the first place!
If you are a CC owner and you do have the option to pin/unpin can you please advise me of where (which screen)  those options are?
Any help would be appreciated.
Cheers.
Mike.

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pdb1
16 Sep 2023
"Hello Sir "
I can answer your inquiry regarding the owners tools not working . Specifically tools not active after transfer of ownership .
First . When I was the original first owner of my old CC . There were several multi media owners tools not available/working for me .
Member Services could never repair/activate them . As they were corrupt and gone forever .
When finally I did have to leave and transfer ownership . We did everything to the T . In the transfer .
Yet Charles the new owner had no active owners tools at all . PERIOD . Member Services said " Oh well , sorry about your luck ".
Making it too difficult to run a CC . He eventually had to close it altogether .
Have a good one .
Paul

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For many years . Myself and other owners were just left without various permissions and functions . With Member Services not having any answers , fixes , solutions .

Judging from what i just read . Some of the techs may have figured out they can use their own administrative tools . Go in and do some editing for the owner . They didn't used to know how to do that . I'm impressed .


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I'm just wondering if you ever had this issue resolved?? I recently took over ownership of our CC and I'm facing the identical problem.

G'day Jay Tee.
Apologies for the late reply, I didn't check the option for email replies and have just seen your comment.
No, I have never had this issue resolved so I have the owners tool to pin or unpin forum threads.
What they did do is ask me which threads I wanted actioned and they then did it for me.
Not the most suitable outcome but it helped me in the short term.
Cheers.
Mike.


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