ONE FOR THE NUMBER CRUNCHERS

• pdb1 25,122 Posts

  Sun, Aug 9 2015 10:08 PM

  The average player of a CC Pass plays a 9 hole round;
  The average player of a CC Pass purchases a ball that costs 400 credits a sleeve;
  Real income to WGT comes from ball usage (27 cr) and CC members buying passes
  There are many other sources too .
    What I am wondering is any of you big number crunchers ( i try to keep it in low 5 , 6 , 7 digit range ) . Had ever or would ever calculate a modern figure that would represent just how much it costs the members these days for a fully active , hard core , serious , sky's the limit , deep pocketed 250 member CC to try and stay in the top 5 .
    I'm sure that dollar amount , whether it is a total output from the CC or broken down to average per CC member .
    Added to the astronomical amount of level 90 nike balls they purchase .
    And everything else , equipment , boosters , etc .
    I'll bet it would blow us away to find out what they actually have to put out to stay up at the top . Month after month times the amount of other CC's that are doing the same thing goes way above the top 50 more like probably 200 CC's in the rotation .
    Mind boggling ? Uh yep
  
  
  
  
  
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  MBaggese 15,356 Posts

  Sun, Aug 9 2015 11:24 PM

  
  

  pdb1:
  CC to try and stay in the top 5 .

  
   
  Top 5 in what regards?
  
  
  
  
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  oneeyedjohn 9,506 Posts

  Mon, Aug 10 2015 1:32 AM

  
  

  MBaggese:
  
  
  

  pdb1:
  CC to try and stay in the top 5 .

  
   
  Top 5 in what regards?
  
  

  
  Precisely, how do u define top 5.
  I don't think there are 5 CC's out there that could beat Cosa Nostra in a 15 man head to head match up.
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  nanstar 4,914 Posts

  Mon, Aug 10 2015 2:38 AM

  
  

  oneeyedjohn:
  
  
  

  MBaggese:
  
  
  

  pdb1:
  CC to try and stay in the top 5 .

  
   
  Top 5 in what regards?
  
  

  
  Precisely, how do u define top 5.
  I don't think there are 5 CC's out there that could beat Cosa Nostra in a 15 man head to head match up.
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  Rabbit274 1,178 Posts

  Mon, Aug 10 2015 3:40 AM

  My answer would be zero. If all 250 members played in a CC tourney set for 18 holes on the par 5s every day using a starter ball and the free pass, the clubs 'take' on any one day would be in excess of 300,000 XPs at no cost to the members.
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  PaulTon 10,731 Posts

  Mon, Aug 10 2015 4:36 AM

  
  

  oneeyedjohn:
  I don't think there are 5 CC's out there that could beat Cosa Nostra in a 15 man head to head match up.

  
  I know one!
  
  
  
  
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  andyson 6,415 Posts

  Mon, Aug 10 2015 7:52 AM

  
  

  pdb1:
  Real income to WGT comes from ball usage (27 cr) and CC members buying passes

  
  Sorry, no, not necessarily.  It's an accounting thing.  Real income to WGT is in the form of $$ from members buying credits, $$ from sponsors, $$ from Supersonic or Trial Pay or Peanut Labs etc due to members watching ads and taking surveys or offers, $$ from club manufacturers for advertising there clubs on WGT to the millions of real golfers here, and $$ from the ad agencies supplying the banner ads viewed by the members.
  If a member was given credits by WGT for placing in a tournament or being promoted, there's no cost to WGT and no revenue to WGT when those credits are used.
  Top players accumulate hundreds of thousands of credits with no out-of-pocket expense.  Therefore, when they buy balls or passes, no real revenue to WGT.
  
  
  
  
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  hakman123 2,119 Posts

  Mon, Aug 10 2015 8:05 AM

  
  

  andyson:
  Top players accumulate hundreds of thousands of credits with no out-of-pocket expense.  Therefore, when they buy balls or passes, no real revenue to WGT.

  
  True - but those top players won those credits from all the other players who have to pay to play, and when those competitions run - WGT takes their cut every time.
  I think the question being asked however in the OP - was how much would the 250 members need to spend in order to maintain a top 5 position in the CC levels / experience table.
  Now - since we know that there are no awards to speak of after Level 16 - what would be the point of burning Passes to reach the top of a pretty meaningless table. Who honestly looks at the CC Leaderboard???
  As pointed out by others here - the "top clubs" are measured in results on the course.
  
  
  
  
  
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  Ducati916 1,116 Posts

  Mon, Aug 10 2015 9:56 AM

  Ray Babbitt calculated the answer for the OP...
   
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
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  andyson 6,415 Posts

  Mon, Aug 10 2015 1:56 PM

  hakman123:
  True - but those top players won those credits from all the other players who have to pay to play, and when those competitions run - WGT takes their cut every time.

  Neil, it doesn't matter that the top players won those credits from players who paid WGT for the credits. WGT already has the revenue.  There is no real revenue to WGT when a top player spends credits won in tournaments.
  
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• mathia14 1,271 Posts

  Mon, Aug 10 2015 2:38 PM

  You can turn the numbers insideout & WGT is still hosed.
  
  
  
  
  
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  oneeyedjohn 9,506 Posts

  Mon, Aug 10 2015 3:30 PM

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  PaulTon 10,731 Posts

  Tue, Aug 11 2015 2:52 AM

   
  
  

  oneeyedjohn:
  
  Nanstar / Lobsters Lair - I'll be in touch asap.
  
  

  
  Ignoring Grande Oaks, John, or scared?  
   
  
  
  
  
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  pdb1 25,122 Posts

  Mon, Aug 17 2015 8:54 PM

  
  

  andyson:
  
  
  

  pdb1:
  Real income to WGT comes from ball usage (27 cr) and CC members buying passes

  
  Sorry, no, not necessarily.  It's an accounting thing.  Real income to WGT is in the form of $ from members buying credits, $ from sponsors, $ from Supersonic or Trial Pay or Peanut Labs etc due to members watching ads and taking surveys or offers, $ from club manufacturers for advertising there clubs on WGT to the millions of real golfers here, and $ from the ad agencies supplying the banner ads viewed by the members.
  If a member was given credits by WGT for placing in a tournament or being promoted, there's no cost to WGT and no revenue to WGT when those credits are used.
  Top players accumulate hundreds of thousands of credits with no out-of-pocket expense.  Therefore, when they buy balls or passes, no real revenue to WGT.
  
  

  
    It wasn't my quote . I kinda thought it was one of yours . But if you guys want to just nit pick and beat around the bush . Maybe it's too big of a task . Or maybe you don't understand the simplicity of the question . Maybe you guys are lazy . Or maybe you just can't figure it out . No matter , eventually someone will .
  
  
  
  
  
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  andyson 6,415 Posts

  Mon, Aug 17 2015 9:15 PM

  
  

  pdb1:
  It wasn't my quote . I kinda thought it was one of yours .

  
  Huh?  It wasn't you that I quoted?  Pffft....
  
  It most certainly was you.
  
  
  
  
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  MBaggese 15,356 Posts

  Mon, Aug 17 2015 9:33 PM

  
  

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  oneeyedjohn:
  
  Nanstar / Lobsters Lair - I'll be in touch asap.
  
  

  
  Ignoring Grande Oaks, John, or scared?  
   
  
  

  
  Awww, my fish net stocking friend, we will be in touch (cyberly and figuratively) soon enough:)
  
  
  
  
  
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  pdb1 25,122 Posts

  Mon, Aug 17 2015 9:43 PM

  
  

  andyson:
  It most certainly was you.

  
    Lol . I said it wasn't . Playng a   round right now I'll  dig up  where I found it a little later .
  
  
  
  
  
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  pdb1 25,122 Posts

  Mon, Aug 17 2015 9:48 PM

  
  

  andyson:
  
  
  

  EasyEdward:
  2) Real income to WGT comes from ball usage (27 cr) and CC members buying passes (37 cr).

  
  At first I thought that too.  But after thinking about it from a business point of view, they get income from me directly only when I buy credits using a credit or gift card.  If I won those credits in a free weekly tournament that's not real income for WGT.
  I think of the CC pass as merely an incentive for players to login to the site.  Its another reason to play.   Very much like the Consecutive Days Played bonus.  Getting people to the site is important to WGT as it is a large part of how Ad Rates are determined.  The more unique visitors to a site each month the higher the ad rates.  I'm not a Web Marketing expert so this is  a very simple view.  There are many other factors like ad placement and size, and how well your audience matches the advertisers target audience.
  How can the FOX TV network charge $4 million for a 30 second Super Bowl ad?  Because there were 110 million viewers!  Same thing here.   The more people who visit the site, the more WGT can charge to have ads displayed.
  So WGT gets revenue indirectly from us just because we visit the site. 
  I do agree with EasyEd's conclusion, no one saving credits to buy balls or clubs is likely to buy a CC pass they'll use a free one.  Its genius really.  You want to be a good CC member, you're getting pressure maybe from the owner and other members to contribute to the CC XP totals, so you make sure you keep your CDP bonus at 880 xps and use a CC pass.  Now everyone is helping WGT keep their numbers up.
  
  

  
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  pdb1 25,122 Posts

  Mon, Aug 17 2015 10:25 PM

    BTW . I got this idea from that " Peoples Club " scenario of E E's . I was hoping for a real tally as though members were actually spending credits or money . My bad for not refreshing your memories . I forgot you guys are old too .
  
  
  
  
  
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  alosso 20,950 Posts

  Mon, Aug 17 2015 10:36 PM

  Thanks for clarifying!
  Are you too young to quote Edward's phrase correctly in the first place?
  I bet you had to look it up + copy&paste it then - too old to memorize the post from Sept. '14 by heart?
  Pun but no offence intended, young old man
  

• pdb1 25,122 Posts

  Tue, Aug 18 2015 12:43 AM

    Ok . You asked for it . The entire post is a good reference for the entire food for thought .
    Originally who knows why I omitted its entirety . I forget . Very common occurrence .
  
  

  EasyEdward:
  
  
  alosso and WGTdbloshoe:
  I just did a review of The Peoples Club membership. Out of 250 members; there are only 31 members I can positively say have bought a pass or have used more than 1 a day on average. It is as well totally possible that up to 67 members have either (1) played 2 passes on some days or (2) bought a pass at least once. 183 members have absolutely never bought a pass.
  
  From what I can garner The Peoples Club members buy about 30 CC Passes a day out of our 250 members.   
  
  With those numbers in mind I did a calculation to determine if it makes economic sense for WGT to give two passes to each CC member at the start of the new day (midnight GMT).
  
  These calculations assume:
  
  1) The average player of a CC Pass plays a 9 hole round;
  
  2) The average player of a CC Pass purchases a ball that costs 400 credits a sleeve;
  
  3) The average player in The Peoples Club is similar to the average player in other CCs.
  
  With those thoughts in mind; the average player spends about 27 credits on ball wear when playing a free pass.
  
  So if WGT gave out 2 free passes at midnight GMT the quick analysis would be that WGT is losing 10 credits (27 cr in ball uses versus buying a pass at 37 cr).
  
  The quick analysis however is wrong.
  
  This is true even in a very active Country Club like The Peoples Club.
  
  The reason is simple:
  
  1) Free passes are not negative income to WGT as it costs WGT nothing;
  
  2) Real income to WGT comes from ball usage (27 cr) and CC members buying passes (37 cr).
  
  In The Peoples Club has 250 members and the total membership buy about 30 passes a day. Another way of looking at it 12% buy a CC pass and 88% do not buy one.   
  
  The question for WGT profit line then becomes a simple one:
  
  Would the group that never buys a second pass play more and offset the one lost purchase of a pass by those who are now buying their second one on a daily basis?
  
  WGT would lose about 300 credits a day giving 2 passes at midnight GMT to members of The Peoples Club, BUT, stand to gain somepercentage of 5,940 credits on ball usage.
  
  The math is pretty clear – it takes just 12 of the 220 members of The Peoples Club playing just one of their free ones daily as of now to play one more round using their second free pass for WGT to make more than lost in sales of CC passes.     
  
  
  

  
  
  
  
  
  
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  andyson 6,415 Posts

  Tue, Aug 18 2015 7:49 AM

  
  

  pdb1:
  My bad for not refreshing your memories . I forgot you guys are old too .

  
  Don't assume I forgot my reply to Easy Edward's post last year....
  
  

  pdb1:
  Originally who knows why I omitted its entirety . I forget . Very common occurrence.

  
  Yeah, who knows?
  
  
  
  
  
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  YankeeJim 25,827 Posts

  Tue, Aug 18 2015 8:48 AM

  
  

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  oneeyedjohn:
  
  Nanstar / Lobsters Lair - I'll be in touch asap.
  
  

  
  Ignoring Grande Oaks, John, or scared?  
   
  
  

  
  One at a time now, Paul.  Stand in line.  ;-)
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  Jresh0817 1,414 Posts

  Tue, Aug 18 2015 12:03 PM

  Grande Oaks is perfect in CvC competition ..15-0 and still CHAMPION OF THE WORLD!!!!
  

  oneeyedjohn:
  
  
  

  MBaggese:
  
  
  

  pdb1:
  CC to try and stay in the top 5 .

  
   
  Top 5 in what regards?
  
  

  
  Precisely, how do u define top 5.
  I don't think there are 5 CC's out there that could beat Cosa Nostra in a 15 man head to head match up.
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  pdb1 25,122 Posts

  Tue, Aug 18 2015 1:09 PM

  
  

  Jresh0817:
  Precisely, how do u define top 5.

  
    Obviously with regards to the meaningless amount of credits and money that the only meaningless list that we are privy to and obviously representing the priorities of the powers that be . Is the meaningless list below . With this list one could crunch the meaningless numbers that would reveal the senseless greediness  that these 5 top CC's have been lured into to represent what WGT feels is the top 5 of notice . 
    When everyone else knows differently . We all know that this list represents no amount of individual skill , no outstanding CC or individual accomplishments . In fact none of those meaningful lists are provided to us . ( not that I am aware of anyway ) .
    So just to play along with your inquiry J . If there were real lists for real WGT golf milestones and accomplishments . It would appear that your CC would top that list .
    How am I doing J ? Is that kinda what you were fishing for?
    Anyway here is the list that represents the incredible amount  $ spent on the competitive greediness encouraged here .
    But J . You knew that already . 
   
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  MBaggese 15,356 Posts

  Tue, Aug 18 2015 1:24 PM

  
  

  pdb1:
  Anyway here is the list that represents the incredible amount  $ spent on the competitive greediness encouraged here .

  
   
    Not so sure...i/e are you assuming the members are buying CC passes?
   
  Without looking at the 5 clubs you've listed, and knowing how the People Club is very active with their play...I think what you see here (again, I could be wrong) is fully loaded CC's (near 250 members each) who are very active...really no more money spent than 5 CC's with 50 players each who are active as well.
   
  Edit:
   
  A quick scan of the CC's you've shown there, show a majority of the player have played today or yesterday...in come cases all of the players have.
  
  
  
  
  
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  alosso 20,950 Posts

  Tue, Aug 18 2015 1:55 PM

  
  

  MBaggese:
  Not so sure...i/e are you assuming the members are buying CC passes?

  
  No assumption but reality, since Edward was quoted above that 11 % of his CC's members buy passes daily, and this happens in many, if not most CCs.
  I'm not pleased about that - the money making product without much bonus for the players sells just too good.
  
  
  
  
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  MBaggese 15,356 Posts

  Tue, Aug 18 2015 2:38 PM

  
  

  alosso:
  
  
  

  MBaggese:
  Not so sure...i/e are you assuming the members are buying CC passes?

  
  No assumption but reality, since Edward was quoted above that 11 % of his CC's members buy passes daily, and this happens in many, if not most CCs.
  I'm not pleased about that - the money making product without much bonus for the players sells just too good.
  
  

  
  Point taken, but still, that leaves roughly 225 active players using the free pass(es) given.
   
  Really the only way to settle things is get the best players from all the clubs and get out on the courses, now this could only take a few years to solve...lol.
  I think the levels show "most active" clubs
  Earning show (for the most part) who's willing to take the risk for the reward...but earning can be so skewed, I don't think it's a valid item to use.
   
  Remember awhile back, WGT (think it was Pizza) put on a "who's the best CC" thing?
  Of course I got stuck with BiB in the finals and promptly got my butt waxed...but it might be an option if one were so inclined to host and run it.
   
  It would eliminate activity, earning, etc...and just put players against players to work it out.
  Markone runs a similar thing as well, utilizing WGT SP weeklies.
   
  
  
  
  
  
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  pdb1 25,122 Posts

  Tue, Aug 18 2015 2:44 PM

  
  

  MBaggese:
  really no more money spent than 5 CC's with 50 players each who are active as well.

  
    That's where I am sure the original figures that were calculated before 
  

  EasyEdward  09-18-2014 2:13 PM 5,879 Posts  And were meant to show minimal pass and credit usage . And before the "GREAT CLASH DEDEBACLE " OF 2015 .  When all things changed . Especially to drive to not use the minimum but to spend and use whatever it takes to achieve that top 5 .   You will find that this is true if you re run the numbers . Your statement about 50 member CC's is completely out of line . For instance , all 50 would have to average approximately 1100 XP's per day everyday to even come close to the 50th position . You guys do the numbers and quit dodging it .

  
  
  
  
  
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  pdb1 25,122 Posts

  Tue, Aug 18 2015 2:46 PM

   Lol fk it . Not editing it . It is what it is . 
   MBaggese:
  really no more money spent than 5 CC's with 50 players each who are active as well.
   
    How do you figure ? That statement astounds me . 100 to 200 XP's each per day for the big CC's . Opposed to what would be 10's of thousands XP's each per day for a 50 member CC to touch the top 5  . Seriously do the fking #'s . I did for for my 60 member ( at the time ) CC . 
    We are now in another rebuilding stage and have no reason to be concerned . But that is how I know that you guys ( refusing to do the #'s ) have no idea .
  

• MBaggese 15,356 Posts

  Tue, Aug 18 2015 3:18 PM

  
  

  pdb1:
  
   Lol fk it . Not editing it . It is what it is . 
   MBaggese:
  really no more money spent than 5 CC's with 50 players each who are active as well.
   
    How do you figure ? That statement astounds me . 100 to 200 XP's each per day for the big CC's . Opposed to what would be 10's of thousands XP's each per day for a 50 member CC to touch the top 5  . Seriously do the fking #'s . I did for for my 60 member ( at the time ) CC . 
    We are now in another rebuilding stage and have no reason to be concerned . But that is how I know that you guys ( refusing to do the #'s ) have no idea . 
  
  

  
  You're missing my point...
  5 CC with 50 active players, is 250 active players...
   
  1 CC with 250 active players, is 250 active players..
   
  The cash out between the 5 active CC's is the same as the 1 active (250 member) CC.
   
  And why the vulgarity?
  How old are you anyway?
  
  
  
  
  
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  pdb1 25,122 Posts

  Tue, Aug 18 2015 3:20 PM

  
  

  MBaggese:
  No assumption but reality, since Edward was quoted above that 11 % of his CC's members buy passes daily, and this happens in many, if not most CCs.

  
    Get real and and up to date . Logically any small CC has to be at as close 100% pass usage plus pass purchasing to even be in the top 100 . The top 50 are what the line is drawn at . So double that 100% ( meaning double the average XP's average per member per day ) for the smaller CC's . An unfathomable and unrealistic and without extremely deep pockets an inhuman impossibility .  Doesn't make sense does it . That's right the numbers are ludacris . And by numbers , I mean real dollars . 
  
  
  
  
  
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  pdb1 25,122 Posts

  Tue, Aug 18 2015 3:38 PM

  
  

  MBaggese:
  
  You're missing my point...
  5 CC with 50 active players, is 250 active players...
   
  1 CC with 250 active players, is 250 active players..
   
  The cash out between the 5 active CC's is the same as the 1 active (250 member) CC.
   
  And why the vulgarity?
   
  How old are you anyway?
  

  
  First . You are missing my point completely . 
    1 CC with 50 active members = 50 active members 
    1 CC with 50 active members x 5 per member = 250 members = unrealistic output 
    no comparison . If you calculate what the top 5 250 member CC's are actually having to produce to remain in the top 5 . You will be astounded what out of pocket cash money they are spending to compete with each other to keep themselves in the top 5 . 
   But since you all think you know everything and too lazy to verify what I am saying . Then you will remain ignorant and incorrect .
    I see no vulgarity . I am simply shocked at your ignorance .
    I am 56 years young BTW .
  
  
  
  
  
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  pdb1 25,122 Posts

  Tue, Aug 18 2015 3:51 PM

    You know what ? When I started this thread I thought people would be interested to know that today , currently , mid 2015 . Things have change dramatically in the game of XP's . 
    But one would have to calculate the real statistics to find that out . 
    I am done with this brick wall . I do not need to know the exact numbers to know what I am saying is right . Obviously you all will have to do the numbers to know what I am saying at all . 
    Nevermind . The suggestion was for the general public to know . They still don't know and I could care less .
  
  
  
  
  
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  MBaggese 15,356 Posts

  Tue, Aug 18 2015 4:04 PM

  
  

  pdb1:
  
  I see no vulgarity . I am simply shocked at your ignorance .
    I am 56 years young BTW .
  

  
  I guess using the "F" word to try to make a point (in your mind) is not using vulgar language.
   
  I think we can all see where the ignorance is residing.
   
  Have a nice life
   
   
  One final point, and I'll type slowly for you...
   
  Y O U brought up "cash, money, etc"...
  Y O U showed the top 5 leveled CC's.
  Y O U equated it to money being spent.
   
   I showed you that a 250 member CC that has an A C T I V E 250 members, spends no more cash/credits/etc than 5-( F I V E) CC with 50 (F I F T Y) Active ( A C T I V E) members with in them.
   
    Oh, go eff yourself, dip wad.
  
  
  
  
  
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  YankeeJim 25,827 Posts

  Tue, Aug 18 2015 4:18 PM

  
  

  pdb1:
    I am 56 years young BTW .

  
  Oy! Had that one all wrong.
  
  
  
  
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  pdb1 25,122 Posts

  Tue, Aug 18 2015 4:38 PM

  
  

  MBaggese:
   I showed you that a 250 member CC that has an A C T I V E 250 members, spends no more cash/credits/etc than 5-( F I V E) CC with 50 (F I F T Y) Active ( A C T I V E) members with in them.

  
    What does that have to do with anything I am talking about ? I suppose you know what I am talking about better than I . Lol .
    Mature lately ? I think not . Sorry about your condition . I wish you the best . 
  
  
  
  
  
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  pdb1 25,122 Posts

  Tue, Aug 18 2015 4:39 PM

  
  

  YankeeJim:
  
  
  

  pdb1:
    I am 56 years young BTW .

  
  Oy! Had that one all wrong.
  
  

  
    Oh ? Lol . What was your guess ?
    Please say 21 ,   22   Lol.
  
  
  
  
  
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  pdb1 25,122 Posts

  Tue, Aug 18 2015 4:47 PM

    BTW do any of you run a CC ? Over the last couple years I have had up to 90 members with the absolute pleasure of trying to welcome 300 members throughout . 
    Running a CC brings to light many many things that would never be considered or obvious as a member . 
    This subject is one of them . Not something we are clicking on . So lets just call it good . 
    Some one start another thread we can banter about in . I'm game . 
  
  
  
  
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  MBaggese 15,356 Posts

  Tue, Aug 18 2015 5:09 PM

  pdb1:
  Real income to WGT comes from ball usage (27 cr) and CC members buying passes

   
  So 25 players of a 250 member club who are buying passes, does not equate to 5 members of a 50 member club who buy passes?
   
  

  pdb1:
  Had ever or would ever calculate a modern figure that would represent just how much it costs the members these days for a fully active , hard core , serious , sky's the limit , deep pocketed 250 member CC to try and stay in the top 5 .

   
  Again...if only 10% (EE's numbers from his club) are buying CC passes, what is the difference (again, dollar wise) with 5 members each of 5 CC's with 50 active players?
   
  Total revenue to WGT is the same between one active 250 member club, vs 5 active 50 member clubs...or even 10 active 25 member clubs, go find a small active club, look through each players history of activity and see what the spend, how often they spend it on.
   
  Too much work?
   
  Probably, heck, let's put a question to you since you are a CC owner, how many sleeves of balls does your 60 member CC use in a month?
   
  You should know this, right?
  

• MBaggese 15,356 Posts

  Tue, Aug 18 2015 5:10 PM

  
  

  pdb1:
  
  
  

  MBaggese:
   I showed you that a 250 member CC that has an A C T I V E 250 members, spends no more cash/credits/etc than 5-( F I V E) CC with 50 (F I F T Y) Active ( A C T I V E) members with in them.

  
    What does that have to do with anything I am talking about ? I suppose you know what I am talking about better than I . Lol .
  

  
  See the answer above based on your original post.
  
  
  
  
  
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  andyson 6,415 Posts

  Tue, Aug 18 2015 5:44 PM

  The original question was...
  
  

  pdb1:
  Had ever or would ever calculate a modern figure that would represent just how much it costs the members these days for a fully active , hard core , serious , sky's the limit , deep pocketed 250 member CC to try and stay in the top 5 .

  
  
  The answer is: A 250 member CC who's members all play every day and use their free CC pass to play one hole and get their CDP bonus needs to spend ZERO credits and ZERO dollars to stay in the top 5. 
  
  I can get close to 900 XPs for playing one Par 3 hole for a CDP bonus, I just got 897 tonite.  If all 250 members did that and used the free pass that's 225,000 XPS for the CC each day.  And that oughta put it in the Top 5.
  (And one can use the free ball or a free sponsor ball for the one hole, no cost there)
  
  As Baggs pointed out, members of the Top 5 CCs play everyday so all they need is the discipline to use their free CC pass for the CDP bonus.
  
  And if 11% of them buy passes it doesn't mean it was out-of-pocket $$, many earn credits watching videos or taking surveys.
  
  But if does mean buying credits using a credit card, so what!  I don't begrudge WGT revenue.  They need it to keep the site, which I enjoy, open.
  
  
  
  
  
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  alosso 20,950 Posts

  Tue, Aug 18 2015 10:51 PM

  +1
  
  

  andyson:
  And if 11% of them buy passes it doesn't mean it was out-of-pocket $, many earn credits watching videos or taking surveys.

  
  I beg to differ: These people are spending a lot of precious time of their lives to get too little credits - no reason to say that these "free" ones are worth less than others.
  Those who actually pay for the CC passes should care, too, and even the top earners pulverize their credits and those they earned from other players "for nothing" and for the company's benefit - would be less in that sense if they'd gift it for other players' equipment.
  Me neither begrudges company revenue in general, but I'll never accept the whole system connected to CC passes (with the Golden Calf on top) - it's like a luxury tax with too small a counter value, or a fee obtained from emotions and from good vibes in the community.
  And meanwhile the game goes south.
  *shudders*
  
  
  
  
  
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  pdb1 25,122 Posts

  Wed, Aug 19 2015 4:12 AM

  
  

  andyson:
  The answer is: A 250 member CC who's members all play every day and use their free CC pass to play one hole and get their CDP bonus needs to spend ZERO credits and ZERO dollars to stay in the top 5. 

  
    Bull . Do you honestly believe that ? Wow . 
  
  

  andyson:
  I can get close to 900 XPs for playing one Par 3 hole for a CDP bonus, I just got 897 tonite.  If all 250 members did that

  
    That is you speaking for  yourself . Does not a CC make 
  
  

  andyson:
  And if 11% of them buy passes

  
    I fully dispute that 11 % . Not a current figure . Realistically more like 60 to 70 % purchase passes . As I mentioned earlier a smaller CC with active conscientious  members trying to advance their smaller CC could be a higher % than that . 
    Those top 50 CC's are not accidentally turning in high XP totals by using the free passes . And just happen to far surpass 100's and 100's of other CC's on a daily and weekly basis . 
    Good grief are you guys for real ?
    Obviously you guys have never been in a CC that was making some sort of effort . Or you would know that it takes an extreme effort to achieve the XP totals that those CC's do consistantly . An effort far and above many times what a free pass does or doesn't produce . In fact even if you try to utilize your free passes effectively and efficiently many many times you fail and add virtually nothing to anything . Hence the need to purchase as many more as you feel necessary to add the points you want to just that day .
    I am speaking from the perspective of a broke dick CC . 
    Or you must think that the thousands of other CC's that aren't even close just aren't trying and don't even care . Lol .
  
  

  alosso:
  but I'll never accept the whole system connected to CC passes (with the Golden Calf on top)

  
    Of course not . There are many other many other money traps here .
  
  

  andyson:
  As Baggs pointed out, members of the Top 5 CCs play everyday so all they need is the discipline to use their free CC pass for the CDP bonus.

  
    Lol . That is such crap . That wouldn't even get you in the top 500 . That is a fact .
  
  
  
  
  
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  YankeeJim 25,827 Posts

  Wed, Aug 19 2015 5:12 AM

  
  

  pdb1:
  
  
  

  YankeeJim:
  
  
  

  pdb1:
    I am 56 years young BTW .

  
  Oy! Had that one all wrong.
  
  

  
    Oh ? Lol . What was your guess ?
    Please say 21 ,   22   Lol.
  
  

  
  Ya, I had it at maybe a twenty-something or late teen. Turns out you're trying to emulate their collective, combative, in your face know it all attitude and you're 30 years late. LOL. Now I see what's going on.
  Carry on, Andyson's wiping the floor with whatever you're trying to say.  :-)
  
  
  
  
  
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  andyson 6,415 Posts

  Wed, Aug 19 2015 9:25 AM

  
  

  pdb1:
  Bull . Do you honestly believe that ? Wow . 

  
  I knew you'd like it!   Sooo predictable....
  
  

  pdb1:
  I fully dispute that 11 % . Not a current figure . Realistically more like 60 to 70 % purchase passes

  
  Easy Ed did the work.  Get your lazy butt outta the forums and do some work yourself to show the 60 to 70%
  
  

  pdb1:
  Lol . That is such crap . That wouldn't even get you in the top 500 . That is a fact .

  
  Nope, that is an opinion.  Do the work.
  Back in November you wrote:
  
  

  pdb1:
  We never worry about passes or CC or XP points .

  
  Yeah, we believe ya!
  
  
  
  
  
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  pdb1 25,122 Posts

  Wed, Aug 19 2015 6:28 PM

  
  

  andyson:
  
  Back in November you wrote:
  
  

  pdb1:
  We never worry about passes or CC or XP points .

  
  Yeah, we believe ya!
  

   
  
  I invite anyone to come in and join my CC for a day . . See that  we have no interest in XP's . 
    This thread was for my interest and those in the forums .
    Better yet visit my website and read the hundreds of pages I have written on that subject and many others .
   
  https://www.valleyofthesuncc.com/
   
   
  
  
  
  
  
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  MBaggese 15,356 Posts

  Wed, Aug 19 2015 8:25 PM

  
  

  pdb1:
  See that  we have no interest in XP's . 

  
   
  Yet you seem to promote it?.....
   
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  andyson 6,415 Posts

  Wed, Aug 19 2015 9:39 PM

  
  

  pdb1:
  we have no interest in XP's . 

  
  from a recent post on a members wall by pdb...
  
   
  
  
  
  
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  CanineSupervisor 1,882 Posts

  Thu, Aug 20 2015 12:59 AM

  First off, let me start by telling Mike - Eff Ya!  
  
  

  MBaggese:
  Yet you seem to promote it?.....

   
  VOTSCC has an entire section of their 'eye-straining' website dedicated to explaining WHY CC XP points are important under the heading,  What every Member Needs to Know About CC XP Points; borrowed, I might add, from The Old Duffers Retreat.
   
  just sayin'...
  Let me reiterate, Mike..in case you missed it...Eff Ya !
  Oh yeah - I need to be cool, so - Ha Ha Ha
  PMSL !
  

• pdb1 25,122 Posts

  Thu, Aug 20 2015 3:14 AM

    Whatever you want to quickly interpret form what you see . Is testament to the shallowness and lack of maturity that surprisingly posses the lot of you .
    Once in a blue moon when a member crosses another thresh hold or breaks a record or any accomplishment of note . A good leader will recognize this with accolades of some sort . For many of those members , that may be the only trophy they have ever received . I am sure they aren't complaining .
   I asked you to read . That is obviously beyond you again  . Maybe ask a CC member what the CC has to say about XP points . What does Paul say when you join the CC ? Does he back it up ? 
   A single trophy per year does not a promotion make . Lol .
    You guys crack me up . This is so comical . 
    Trying to catch me in a hypocritical situation is interesting . You havn't yet . It may be possible . Keep trying . We will see .
    Did you not find it odd that those trophies were not in the forum RECENT TOURNEY WINNERS ? 
     Everything else is . Hmmm  . Maybe that was intentional ? 
  
  
  
  
  
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  PaulTon 10,731 Posts

  Thu, Aug 20 2015 4:30 AM

  Paul, for the love of god please stop! 
  I'm getting embarrassed for you in this thread. 
  Change your C.C's name to 'WGT XP Junkies', it's time for some honesty and self realisation.
  
  
  
  
  
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  andyson 6,415 Posts

  Thu, Aug 20 2015 8:26 AM

  
  

  PaulTon:
  
  Paul, for the love of god please stop! 
  I'm getting embarrassed for you in this thread. 
  

  
  Hell PT, I'm embarrassed he's representing Arizona!
   
  
  
  
  
  
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  andyson 6,415 Posts

  Thu, Aug 20 2015 9:56 AM

  
  

  pdb1:
    Whatever you want to quickly interpret form what you see . Is testament to the shallowness and lack of maturity that surprisingly posses the lot of you .

  
  Personal attacks on the critics is always a sign that you know the critics are right!
  
  

  pdb1:
  A single trophy per year does not a promotion make . Lol .

  
  Single?  Who you trying to con man?  There are 33 XP trophies posted on your website! In a year.
  And timely too.  A member crosses 400K and BAM! Immediately there's a trophy on his wall.  You must be watching member XP contributions like a hawk. Nope, sorry, you say you're not interested in XPs. SMH
  
  

  pdb1:
  Maybe ask a CC member what the CC has to say about XP points . What does Paul say when you join the CC ? Does he back it up ? 

  
  Of course I'd expect them to say Paul's not worried about XPs and are not important in the CC.  Because that's what you told 'em.
  However, I was taught by my parents to not believe what people say but watch what they do.  And it has served me well in business and in life to be a bit of a cynic. (OK, OK, I'm a big cynic.)
  For someone who has said you don't care about CC passes or XPs your actions don't back it up.
  
  • You watch member XP contributions to the CC closely and give out awards.
    
  • There's the present post by you on how the Top 5 XP earning CCs must be fully active , hard core , serious , sky's the limit , deep pocketed 250 member CCs who spend a mind boggling amount of real money to stay in the top 5.  Why do you even care?
    
  • And then there's these 7 other forum posts started by you about CC XP points, CC passes, and the Clash.
    
  
  - Weekly CC points
  - HOW TO CALCULATE CC WEEKLY XP ?
  - How are contributions
  - TO PASS OR NOT TO PASS ?
  - Is there any other value to the club passes?
  - CLASH question
  - WHAT IS THE XP FORMULA's FOR EACH LEVEL
  So if your CC members still believe CC passes and XPs ain't important to you, then I got some ocean front property in Arizona they might be interested in.
  
  
  
  
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  YankeeJim 25,827 Posts

  Thu, Aug 20 2015 10:07 AM

  
  

  pdb1:
    Trying to catch me in a hypocritical situation is interesting . You havn't yet . It may be possible . Keep trying . We will see .

  
  Guess we saw.  :-)
  
  
  
  
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  PaulTon 10,731 Posts

  Thu, Aug 20 2015 12:42 PM

  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
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  pdb1 25,122 Posts

  Thu, Aug 20 2015 12:45 PM

  You know what . I'll stop . No problem . I don't get embarrassed . But you can kiss my everloving ass .
  
  
  
  
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  PaulTon 10,731 Posts

  Thu, Aug 20 2015 12:57 PM

  
  

  pdb1:
  I don't get embarrassed .

  
  Yes we know, your posts make that all too apparent. 
  
  
  
  
  
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  opyeuclid 6,684 Posts

  Thu, Aug 20 2015 1:00 PM

  Tag ,,, Your  it .
   
  
  
  
  
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  pdb1 25,122 Posts

  Thu, Aug 20 2015 1:01 PM

  
  

  andyson:
  
  - Weekly CC points
  - HOW TO CALCULATE CC WEEKLY XP ?
  - How are contributions
  - TO PASS OR NOT TO PASS ?
  - Is there any other value to the club passes?
  - CLASH question
  - WHAT IS THE XP FORMULA's FOR EACH LEVEL
  So if your CC members still believe CC passes and XPs ain't important to you, then I got some ocean front property in Arizona they might be interested in.
  

  
   
    The forum is provided for information . Questions submitted by members are answered.
  Our members play against the courses not each other , competative on a friendly basis . We are all on the same team . our main emphasis is on enjoying and getting something out of the CC experience rather than C C or X P points they will come anyway .
    Is out motto . I stand by this at all times .Always .
    PDB1
    Paul
    VOTSCC
    That message is what every member receives when they enter our CC and usually remains on their wall throughout .
   
    I have removed many members with 100,000 200,000 XP points for many other reasons much more important than XP's . XP's are not even part of the criteria to be successful in our CC . Never have . Never will+
  

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  PaulTon 10,731 Posts

  Thu, Aug 20 2015 1:18 PM

  
  

  pdb1:
  . XP's are not even part of the criteria to be successful in our CC .

  
  It's nice that you give out trophies to reward all those non-success points your members accrue.                               
                                                                                   
  
  
  
  
  
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  robmurphy4 751 Posts

  Thu, Aug 20 2015 2:22 PM

  In our CC. Yes VOTSCC, XP's really don't matter as some of you have posted. We believe they result from a members dedicated play for themselves. When someone does cross a particular threshold ex; 100K, 200K, etc Paul does create a trophy for this member. What is so wrong with that? In my opinion, this creates a higher club morale and promotes unity for all members.
  Our club members have a chance to be rewarded with a trophy for many different reasons. So those of you who say there is a direct correlation between XP trophies and an obsession with accumulating XP are just wrong. 
  Now, as I expect, you forum trolls can begin bashing, trashing or thrashing my post. Have at it. I and all the great members of VOTSCC know the truth. 
  Rob
  
  
  
  
  
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  pdb1 25,122 Posts

  Thu, Aug 20 2015 4:13 PM

   
  
  

  PaulTon:
  It's nice that you give out trophies to reward all those non-success points your members accrue.

  
  
  

  pdb1:
  Once in a blue moon when a member crosses another thresh hold or breaks a record or any accomplishment of note . A good leader will recognize this with accolades of some sort . For many of those members , that may be the only trophy they have ever received . I am sure they aren't complaining .

  
  
  
  
  
  
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  pdb1 25,122 Posts

  Thu, Aug 20 2015 4:15 PM

  
  

  andyson:
  
  
  

  PaulTon:
  
  Paul, for the love of god please stop! 
  I'm getting embarrassed for you in this thread. 
  

  
  Hell PT, I'm embarrassed he's representing Arizona!
  

  
    Alot of embarrassed people . Sounds like I'm doing something right .
   
  
  
  
  
  
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  pdb1 25,122 Posts

  Thu, Aug 20 2015 4:25 PM

  
  

  andyson:
  Hell PT, I'm embarrassed he's representing Arizona!

  
    Having been born and raised in Arizona . I know that one thing they do love is good entertainment . At the very least , this provides some of that .
    Although we all wish that the fact that these forums actually reach no one was not true . It would be interesting to know who actually reads these . Besides idiots like us . Or just how many idiots it does reach .
  
  
  
  
  
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  andyson 6,415 Posts

  Thu, Aug 20 2015 5:56 PM

  
  

  robmurphy4:
  In our CC. Yes VOTSCC, XP's really don't matter as some of you have posted. We believe they result from a members dedicated play for themselves. When someone does cross a particular threshold ex; 100K, 200K, etc Paul does create a trophy for this member. What is so wrong with that? In my opinion, this creates a higher club morale and promotes unity for all members.

  
  Good on ya Rob for sticking up for the old man!  I see you've only been a VOTC member for 2 weeks.  Do you realize the 100K, 200k awards are for the member's contributions to the Club XPs not merely individual XP accumulation. What's so wrong with that is it is not consistent with the statement XPs really don't matter in the CC.  They obviously matter to the old man since he watches member contributions like a hawk in order to hand out those awards.
  He's sending mixed messages to the troops when his actions do not match his words.  A good leader communicates through actions as well as words.  And the words and actions had better match to be an effective leader.  Actions speak louder than words.He doesn't get the point we're making.
   
  
  
  
  
  
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  pdb1 25,122 Posts

  Fri, Aug 21 2015 2:06 AM

  
  

  andyson:
  Good on ya Rob for sticking up for the old man!  I see you've only been a VOTC member for 2 weeks.

  
    Rob had a 1 day miscue two weeks ago . He is one of my original members . He has broke every record beyond any normal,standards . Here is a sample .
   
  

  VOTSCC KICK ASS " SPECIAL AWARDS "

    ( there is a page 2 also )
  
  

  andyson:
  They obviously matter to the old man since he watches member contributions like a hawk in order to hand out those awards.

  
    If you knew the time frame it takes to reach 100.000 you would know what it meant earlier when I said " once in a blue moon " . What that means is since I don't have to pay attention to XP's at all . And we now have 100 % participation in CC tourneys . And 100 % in forum responses . ( took a long ass time to get to this point ) . I no longer have any reason to watch anything" like a hawk ". 
   I will go out on a limb and boast that none of you have experienced anything like what we have built here . 
   There is no other CC like ours . Period . We can say that with absolute certainty . We are not better than anyone . We only have what we feel is the most together CC we can be . 
   
  
  
  
  
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  oneeyedjohn 9,506 Posts

  Fri, Aug 21 2015 3:17 AM

  I dunno who the fck u are but u seem to post a lot on the forums, so how about taking on our CC in a match ?
  fancy it ?
  15 players head to head in matchplay
  Our CC is called Cosa Nostra.
  We are the best.
  CAPICHE
  
  
  
  
  
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  nanstar 4,914 Posts

  Fri, Aug 21 2015 4:49 AM

  Unmitigated nonsensical numerical twaddle.
  The only way out is to play some golf!
  Take up his challenge pdb1.. & if your cc wins, I'll gift u a sleeve.
  Just do it!
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  PaulTon 10,731 Posts

  Fri, Aug 21 2015 5:25 AM

  oneeyedjohn:
  Our CC is called Cosa Nostra.
  We are the best.

  Piffle and balderdash, your CC hasn't even been tested yet.
  

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  andyson 6,415 Posts

  Fri, Aug 21 2015 10:39 AM

  
  

  pdb1:
  If you knew the time frame it takes to reach 100.000 you would know what it meant earlier when I said " once in a blue moon " .

  
  111 days at 897/day. 
  "ONCE in a blue moon" does not explain the 33 XP trophies you've handed out in the 17 months your CC has been around.  One every 2 weeks on average.
  
  

  pdb1:
  And we now have 100 % participation in CC tourneys

  
  Outrageous BS! 
  You know we can check right?  Here's 3 of your CC's recent tourneys open to all tiers:
  Ended 8/20 - INFAMY - 13/46 members played = 28%
  Ended 8/19 - BPB 4 U - 11/45 members played = 24%
  Ended 8/16 - St. Andrews F9 / B9 All Play Tier Up!!! - 13/46 members played = 28%
  You're not good with numbers, so stop already! Your credibility has fallen to ZERO.
  No wonder you asked for number crunchers to calculate your silly theory that top 5 clubs spend a mind boggling amount of real dollars to stay there.
  
  

  pdb1:
  We are not better than anyone.

  
  I agree 100%.  LMAO! Would make a good CC slogan for VOTSCC!
  
  
  
  
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  pdb1 25,122 Posts

  Fri, Aug 21 2015 11:12 AM

  
  

  PaulTon:
  
  
  

  oneeyedjohn:
  
  Our CC is called Cosa Nostra.
  We are the best.
  

  
  Piffle and balderdash, your CC hasn't even been tested yet.
   
  
  

  PaulTon:
  
  Our CC is called Cosa Nostra.
  We are the best.
   
  

  
   
  
  

  
   
  
  

  pdb1:
  We can say that with absolute certainty . We are not better than anyone .

  
   
    I will suggest it to the Members . If we play . We will take an ass beating with pride . 
   
  
  
  
  
  
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  pdb1 25,122 Posts

  Fri, Aug 21 2015 11:26 AM

  
  

  andyson:
  "ONCE in a blue moon" does not explain the 33 XP trophies you've handed out in the 17 months your CC has been around.  One every 2 weeks on average.

  
   
    More like closer to 900 trophies . With a whopping 33 of them representing a very insignificant accolade . 
   Try as you might . I have a very clear vision . You cannot catch me in a lie . You cannot tell me where my priorities lie . If you ask me . You are the one who is making yourself look foolish and embarrassing yourself considerably . I do not think you should stop . I think it is hilarious . Bring it . I have an answer for everything you can throw at me  I have thought these things out for a very long time . I have integrity and direction . You are barking up the wrong tree .
    I make the more common awards for individual achievement on a daily basis . In fact if you care to check with my members . I have to be reminded when someone crosses a 100,000 , 200,000 , 300,000 , 400,000 XP every time because those are ones I literally pay no attention to at all .
    You forum rats find it very hard to accept defeat . I know I have seen your immature reactions to those that prove you wrong for many years . In fact I , at the beginning was put in my place on a number of occasions . By all of you . I have learned a great deal from you all . 
    But when it comes to the convictions of our CC . It took removing over 250 members to get to the place we are now . Far from perfect but happily moving in the right direction .
  
  
  
  
  
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  andyson 6,415 Posts

  Fri, Aug 21 2015 11:53 AM

  The Pigheaded One wasn't looking for help calculating in this thread, he was looking for an argument.  The fact is nothing he's said matches anything.
  
  
  
  
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  YankeeJim 25,827 Posts

  Fri, Aug 21 2015 11:57 AM

  Got a serious case of deja vu working here. Flashed on a glitchy driver.  :-D
  
  
  
  
  
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  blindpugh 433 Posts

  Fri, Aug 21 2015 4:29 PM

  I've just had 2 tattie scones 1 fried egg and a wee bit of bacon,
             so lets get this right..2 tattie scones 50%
                                                1 fried egg          25%
                                                bacon                25%
                                                  total                 100%
                    and they were truly scrumptious.So come on guys life's to short for number crunching..get a life.
   
   
  
  
  
  
  
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  pdb1 25,122 Posts

  Fri, Aug 21 2015 4:40 PM

  
  

  andyson:
  
  The Pigheaded One wasn't looking for help calculating in this thread, he was looking for an argument.  The fact is nothing he's said matches anything.
  
  

  
    Ok . Who am I to try to start an engaging thread . No one . And I certainly would not want to change anyones mind on anything . 
    So we are done . Justification is not anything I owe you all . I have proven my points to your blind eyes . Enough said .
  
  

  andyson:
  
  You know we can check right?  Here's 3 of your CC's recent tourneys open to all tiers:
  Ended 8/20 - INFAMY - 13/46 members played = 28%
  Ended 8/19 - BPB 4 U - 11/45 members played = 24%
  Ended 8/16 - St. Andrews F9 / B9 All Play Tier Up!!! - 13/46 members played = 28%
  You're not good with numbers, so stop already! Your credibility has fallen to ZERO.
  

  
   pdb1:
  And we now have 100 % participation in CC tourneys.
    
    The last point I want to make is that 100% of our CC members participate in the CC tourneys . These are tiered tourneys equally split throughout the tiers . 25 % is a very good figure of the tiered members qualified to enter . 
    What kind of an idiot doesn't know that ?
  

  andyson:
  You're not good with numbers, so stop already! Your credibility has fallen to ZERO.

  
    I am obviously much better at numbers than you if you didn't know that . What kind of fool thinks that every member can enter every tournament . Our tiered participation varies from high to extremely high . Check that biotch .
  
  
  
  
  
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  Patsybaby 119 Posts

  Fri, Aug 21 2015 4:53 PM

  
  

  blindpugh:
  
  I've just had 2 tattie scones 1 fried egg and a wee bit of bacon,
             so lets get this right..2 tattie scones 50%
                                                1 fried egg          25%
                                                bacon                25%
                                                  total                 100%
                    and they were truly scrumptious.So come on guys life's to short for number crunching..get a life.
   
   
  
  

  
  Not strictly true, the flour , oil and butter plus seasoning and mace must take a small percentage in themselves.
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  pdb1 25,122 Posts

  Fri, Aug 21 2015 5:07 PM

   Here is a list of last activity . Most are enrolled in a tourney much of the time . That is called 100 % participation . We have two members on vacation and two members at school . Any more doubts or questions ? Some work an extreme amount and play when they can . This is still 100% participation . I ought to know having had 100's of members in the past that did not participate at all . 
  EVERY MEMBER PLAYS CC TOURNAMENTS FREQUENTLY WHAT PART OF THAT DOESN'T EQUAL 100 % . CAN YOUR CC SAY THAT ?
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    Did anyone hear me say anything about 100 % 0f members participate in 100 % of the tourney's ? Now that would be a ludacris statement wouldn't it ?
  Give me a mthrfknbreak .
  
  
  
  
  
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  andyson 6,415 Posts

  Fri, Aug 21 2015 7:16 PM

  pdb1:
  Did anyone hear me say anything about 100 % 0f members participate in 100 % of the tourney's ? Now that would be a ludacris statement wouldn't it ?

  My words were "Outrageous BS!"  Because that's what I thought you meant!  You have a unique way of looking at participation and it counts when a member plays one CC tournament. OK understood.
  I apologize for misunderstanding your 100% as I've never seen that before.  Any CC I've been in the CC Tournament participation issue was always like "We have 50 members and only 10 play the CC tourneys"  And many discussions in this forum about it as well.
  I wouldn't want anyone reading this thread to see the list of Last Played dates and assume it means Last CC Event Played, it doesn't.  Its the last time the member played anything on WGT. 
  It must be a pain in the butt keeping track who participates and who doesn't.
  FYI my CC is a matter of convenience...it stops many but not all unsolicited CC invites...I can set up specific conditions to practice...and a couple of old friends benefit from putter and shot pal.
  

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  pdb1 25,122 Posts

  Fri, Aug 21 2015 9:02 PM

  
  

  andyson:
  I apologize for misunderstanding your 100% as I've never seen that before.  Any CC I've been in the CC Tournament participation issue was always like "We have 50 members and only 10 play the CC tourneys"  And many discussions in this forum about it as well.

  
      Of course which is what I battled for the last two years . And have now conquered it . These guys all play and often . That is my definition of 100% participation . 
  
  

  andyson:
  I wouldn't want anyone reading this thread to see the list of Last Played dates and assume it means Last CC Event Played, it doesn't.  Its the last time the member played anything on WGT. 

  
    Nor would I . So when I say that is a close reflection that can guaranty that one of  their last played is a CC tourney . Then you have to believe me . Since I don't talk out of my ass . All of this seems so simple to me . You don't have to care or give a flying fk . But I assure you that everything I speak is the truth . Not tainted or altered but the outright truth . Take it or leave it .
  
  
  
  
  
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  pdb1 25,122 Posts

  Fri, Aug 21 2015 9:06 PM

    Another definition of mine is my statement of 100% forum responses . I periodically post a " Periodic Members Forum Check In " . The last time 47 out of 49 members replied . After I removed the two that did not and would not . That equaled 100 % . forum response . Another milestone for our CC . 
  
  
  
  
  
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  pdb1 25,122 Posts

  Fri, Aug 21 2015 9:22 PM

    The lessons I have learned are many and and have changed the way I look at this CC venture . Recruitment is no longer an issue . An increase in size will only come on its own . We are very content and have a very good thing going . I wish all the best to any one in the same position . 
  
  
  
  
  
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  oneeyedjohn 9,506 Posts

  Fri, Aug 21 2015 11:04 PM

  
  

  PaulTon:
  
  
  

  oneeyedjohn:
  
  Our CC is called Cosa Nostra.
  We are the best.
  

  
  Piffle and balderdash, your CC hasn't even been tested yet.
  

  
  So gather up ur fifteen finest and challenge us.
  
  
  
  
  
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  oneeyedjohn 9,506 Posts

  Fri, Aug 21 2015 11:13 PM

  
  

  pdb1:
  
    Another definition of mine is my statement of 100% forum responses . I periodically post a " Periodic Members Forum Check In " . The last time 47 out of 49 members replied . After I removed the two that did not and would not . That equaled 100 % . forum response . Another milestone for our CC . 
  
  

  
  Ur CC sounds like a living nightmare, with an owner worrying about a 'forum response'. To me the forum is a place to talk and get info, but in no way should it be mandatory for all members to participate. 
  Some people have very little to say, others have nothing to say of interest, so generally speaking one wouldn't to hear from them anyway.
  As long as I have been in my CC, there are probably over half of the members who have not made a post. No skin off my nose, I couldn't care less.
  BUT, it does not make them any less valuable as a member, and that is the most important factor in our club.
  Family, friendship and respect.
  
  
  
  
  
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  alosso 20,950 Posts

  Fri, Aug 21 2015 11:44 PM

  
  

  oneeyedjohn:
  Family, friendship and respect.

  
  add fun and leisure to define my view of my CC.
  Now we see passes discipline, counting drills & submission to virtual summary dismissal. To each his own but to me, this sounds like VOTC field camp.
  
  
  
  
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  pdb1 25,122 Posts

  Fri, Aug 21 2015 11:54 PM

  
  

  oneeyedjohn:
  Ur CC sounds like a living nightmare, with an owner worrying about a 'forum response'. To me the forum is a place to talk and get info, but in no way should it be mandatory for all members to participate.

   
  
    I have only asked for that response two times . The only ones that didn't were members I could not contact and after 12 to 15 attempts just gave up .
    I admit that a couple of those sound a little demanding . And to some , they are . Before during and after all that , we have a gr8 time . Most of us have friended and play multiplayer rounds often . Lots of CC forum input all the time . All voluntarily . Other tourneys and events with all members feeling they all have a voice and a say that matters in the CC  . 
    Unless you have tried to build a CC . You would have no idea . I didn't , a helluvalot of ups and downs . A lot more to come I am sure .
  
  
  
  
  
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  pdb1 25,122 Posts

  Sat, Aug 22 2015 12:02 AM

  
  

  oneeyedjohn:
  As long as I have been in my CC, there are probably over half of the members who have not made a post.

  
    That is fine . A good CC for them to be in then .
    The difference in ours is that although many need no encouragement at all . We all give some a chance to break out if they never have and desire to . Not to mention our CC tourneys are designed to enjoy , still be demanding & interesting , and still able to work on your skills , lower your average , and move up in tier , without the red tees . 
  
  
  
  
  
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  PaulTon 10,731 Posts

  Sat, Aug 22 2015 3:29 AM

  
  

  pdb1:
    I will suggest it to the Members . If we play . We will take an ass beating with pride

  
  Don't bother, I didn't make the offer to your CC, I was talking to John
  
  
  
  
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  PaulTon 10,731 Posts

  Sat, Aug 22 2015 3:32 AM

  oneeyedjohn:
  

  PaulTon:
  

  oneeyedjohn:
  Our CC is called Cosa Nostra.
  We are the best.

  Piffle and balderdash, your CC hasn't even been tested yet.

  So gather up ur fifteen finest and challenge us.

  Just seen this, leave it with me and I'll get back to you soon John.
  Would be good!
  

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  andyson 6,415 Posts

  Sat, Aug 22 2015 9:59 AM

  
  

  pdb1:
  An increase in size will only come on its own .

  
  What does that mean in light of what appears to be a big recruitment drive on your part? (24 pending CC invites and a bunch of new members in the last couple of weeks)
  
  
  
  
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  pdb1 25,122 Posts

  Sat, Aug 22 2015 10:29 AM

   
   
   VALLEY of the SUN C C invites is our main CC corner thread ..
   
  
  
  
  
  
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  PaulTon 10,731 Posts

  Sat, Aug 22 2015 10:56 AM

  
  

  pdb1:
  Well let me explain what I mean

  
  The amount of self contradictory statements contained in your posts on this thread is truly staggering. 
  You are the only person not to realise this.
   
                                                          
  
  
  
  
  
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  andyson 6,415 Posts

  Sat, Aug 22 2015 11:35 AM

  
  

  pdb1:
  Wow you can't leave anything alone

  
  Well......You can't stop posting all this interesting chit!  LOL
  
  

  PaulTon:
  The amount of self contradictory statements contained in your posts on this thread is truly staggering. 

  
  No, no, no Paul!  We just don't understand what his statements mean.  I learned my lesson on the 100% participation and will now ask before assuming.  Like in the above case
  What he said was "An increase in size will only come on its own ." and after his explanation it now means "An increase in size will only come on its own, under my direction as I see fit."
  Now it's clear.
  
  

  pdb1:
  I still think 40 more good members would make the perfect size CC .

  
  More good stuff pdb!   40 more added to the 45 you have now is 85.  Call it it 80 with expected attrition then.  Please share with the forum why you say 80 - 85 makes the perfect size CC?  Any clarifications?
  
  
  
  
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  pdb1 25,122 Posts

  Sat, Aug 22 2015 12:32 PM

   
    I am sure you will try to instigate more responses . But I will try to look the other way and let this die .
  
  
  
  
  
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  oneeyedjohn 9,506 Posts

  Sat, Aug 22 2015 12:52 PM

  
  

  PaulTon:
  
  
  

  oneeyedjohn:
  
  
  

  PaulTon:
  
  
  

  oneeyedjohn:
  
  Our CC is called Cosa Nostra.
  We are the best.
  

  
  Piffle and balderdash, your CC hasn't even been tested yet.
  

  
  So gather up ur fifteen finest and challenge us.
  
  

  
  Just seen this, leave it with me and I'll get back to you soon John.
  Would be good!
  
  

  
  Agreed, u have a fine mix of players.
  
  
  
  
  
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  LuckySkreet 591 Posts

  Sun, Aug 23 2015 7:28 AM

  LMFAO.....   splendid......just splendid.  Reading this has been the best entertainment I've had since last month's trip South of the Border... when I woke up in a shabby hotel room beside two Mexican Hookers, 3 empty bottles of tequila,  and a dancing squirrel or rat (not particularly sure, vision was a bit blurry).......
  For the record.....  I generally "cancel out" those annoying "Use A Pass" pop ups........
  -Danny- 
  
  
  
  
  
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  pdb1 25,122 Posts

  Thu, Sep 3 2015 8:48 PM

  
  

  MBaggese:
  
   
    Not so sure...i/e are you assuming the members are buying CC passes?
   
  Without looking at the 5 clubs you've listed, and knowing how the People Club is very active with their play...I think what you see here (again, I could be wrong) is fully loaded CC's (near 250 members each) who are very active...really no more money spent than 5 CC's with 50 players each who are active as well.
  

  
    You can't seriously be that blind MBaggese
    Top CC . 4 day total . Current 9/03/2015
    1,072,245 / 4 DAYS = 268,061.25 / 250 MEMBERS = 1,072.245 PER PLAYER EVERYDAY.
    That is certainly not the real scenario . Probably more like 2144.5 points each by 125 members per day . What ever and however they got there and stay there . It is quite obvious that much purchasing of passes by many is needed to maintain this level . that nearly the same effort is needed by the next 49 CC's . And the next 50 CC's that are right behind them . Not to mention the vast amount of balls it takes to achieve those numbers .everyday day after day week after week . Wow . That is alot of money .
   
  
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  andyson 6,415 Posts

  Fri, Sep 4 2015 9:57 AM

  
  

  pdb1:
  That is certainly not the real scenario . Probably more like 2144.5 points each by 125 members per day . What ever and however they got there and stay there . It is quite obvious that much purchasing of passes by many is needed to maintain this level .

  
  I'm calling BS on this.  You know that's not true!  After all, YOU posted the following on your VOTSCC website under the heading "[url=https://www.valleyofthesuncc.com/t825-here-is-another-one-i-borrowed-can-t- help-it-these-guys-wrote-the-book]What every member needs to know about Club XPs[/url]"!
  You poached this information for all your members to read from a Top 5 XP CC, the Old Duffer's Retreat. Here's a key excerpt:
  
  Key phrase: "And no one is being asked to spend a dime" from the owner of the Top 5 XP generating Old Duffers Retreat to his members.  Posted by YOU, pdb1, on YOUR VOTSCC website for your members to read.
  And you have the nerve to rip MBaggs for saying no need to buy passes!
  And what did your next post under the above post say?
  
  That's a ringing endorsement by pdb1 that members do not need to spend a dime to be a Top 5 XP earning CC.
  What kind of games are you playing here man?
  Remember this post on page 5 of this thread by pdb1?
  
  

  pdb1:
  
  
  

  andyson:
  
  Back in November you wrote:
  
  

  pdb1:
  We never worry about passes or CC or XP points .

  
  Yeah, we believe ya!
  

    I invite anyone to come in and join my CC for a day . . See that  we have no interest in XP's . 
  
    This thread was for my interest and those in the forums .
    Better yet visit my website and read the hundreds of pages I have written on that subject and many others .
  https://www.valleyofthesuncc.com/
  

  
  Oh, I did visit your VOTSCC website and for an owner who says "we have no interest in XPs" there are lots of posts about XPs......here's a good one, scroll down 3/4 of the page to the 6-13-2015 1:06 PM post:
  
  Key phrase: "one of my/our goals is to hit the 50th spot on the CC leaderboard."
  Posted by pdb1, who claims no interest in XPs, on his VOTSCC website to all CC members a goal to be a top 50 XP earning CC!
  Unbelievable contradiction.
  And no mention of the need to buy passes to reach that goal even though he posted above:
  
  

  pdb1:
  It is quite obvious that much purchasing of passes by many is needed to maintain this level . that nearly the same effort is needed by the next 49 CC's . And the next 50 CC's that are right behind them .

  
  But you figured your CC could reach the Top 50 without buying passes!  More contradictions!
  And I posed this question to pdb1 before on this thread which he never answered.
  
  

  andyson:
  
  
  

  pdb1:
  I still think 40 more good members would make the perfect size CC .

  
  More good stuff pdb!   40 more added to the 45 you have now is 85.  Call it it 80 with expected attrition then.  Please share with the forum why you say 80 - 85 makes the perfect size CC?  Any clarifications?
  

  
  The answer is ...
  
  

  pdb1:
  
  But one of my / our goals is to hit the 50th spot on the CC leaderboard . I think we can do it easily with possibly less than 80 members . But 80 is a reasonable number to shoot for.

  
  80 members is the perfect number for pdb1's CC to hit the 50th spot on the CC XP earnings leaderboard.
  But we all know he's not interested in CC XPs.
  
  
  
  
  
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  pdb1 25,122 Posts

  Fri, Sep 4 2015 10:44 AM

    Lol you failed to mention the title of the " poached post " HERE IS ANOTHER ONE I BORROWED ( can't help it these guys wrote the book )
    All of that was during a period when all our small and few members were kicking ass playing alot and racking up the points . So as usual I tried to find as much info about all . . 
    That was several months ago and was very short lived and does not mean I was ever for more than a fleeting moment concerned about X P 's . Only curious at the time because there were others inquiring . 
    I have been doing this for two years . Holding firm on my beliefs . No one will believe that the brief moment that you dug up to try and invalidate my claims is and ever will be what is the truth . 
    You guys specialize in taking things out of context . Twisting peoples words . Tryting to make me sound like a hypocrite . 
    It won't work . I have more facts to prove it every week and day . And a whole CC full of members that have been with the CC the entire time that will back it up . 
    I will give you a very recent example . CLASH # 7 . We did very well . A lot of wins . 17 th place overall . Very proud of our members . Screenshots of the W's & L . Screenshot of the 17th place over all . No where will you find any screenshots of who produced how many points . No where is there any mention of this anywhere . Only a thank you to the 27 members that participated . Do you know why ? Because it never mattered and frankly did not even cross my mind to even look at who produced what points .
    The other thing that you missed the mark on are the trophies that are seldom made but necessarily important that each member gets when they cross a thresh hold milestone at 100,000 , 200,000 , 300,000  points in the CC . These are our " Outstanding Long time Play Trophies " . Not about the amount of X P's at all . Period .  What a member has to do and the amount of play and dedication it takes to reach those incredible levels is amazing . Just because the X P total is the line at which each one is recognized is only a numbered mark and is not a factor of what the member is being recognized for . 
    I can back all this up . I have never said thank you for your X P's to anyone . When they get recognized it is for their individual efforts and dedication for months and years .
    I have mentioned before that on dozens of occasions I have removed a number of the top X P contributors from the CC ( members with 100,000 200,000 points ) because they did not want to communicate or participate in some of the things we ask to be a member . They would say " I give you all these points  what are you bitching about " and if they still didn't play well with the others . Then they would be gone . The points mean nothing in our CC and never will .
    That is the way it is . You are barking up the wrong tree . 
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  Fri, Sep 4 2015 11:20 AM

  
  

  pdb1:
    I have mentioned before that on dozens of occasions I have removed dozens of the top X P contributors from the CC ( members with 100,000 200,000 points ) because they did not want to communicate or participate in some of the things we ask to be a member .

  
  That's a minimum of 576 players you've culled, LMAO.
  Tell us another....
  
  
  
  
  
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  andyson 6,415 Posts

  Fri, Sep 4 2015 2:02 PM

  
  

  pdb1:
  
    Lol you failed to mention the title of the " poached post " HERE IS ANOTHER ONE I BORROWED ( can't help it these guys wrote the book )
    All of that was during a period when all our small and few members were kicking ass playing alot and racking up the points . So as usual I tried to find as much info about all . . 
    That was several months ago and was very short lived and does not mean I was ever for more than a fleeting moment concerned about X P 's . Only curious at the time because there were others inquiring . 
  

  
  The title is irrelevant as I said you poached it.  Several months ago?  I think not as it was posted on your website 6 weeks ago on 7-23-15
  
  

  pdb1:
  The other thing that you missed the mark on are the trophies that are seldom made but necessarily important that each member gets when they cross a thresh hold milestone at 100,000 , 200,000 , 300,000 points in the CC . These are our " Outstanding Long time Play Trophies " . Not about the amount of X P's at all . Period .

  
  What other type points are you celebrating then? 
  Seldom?  On average every 2 weeks since you've celebrated it 33 times since your CC opened 17 months ago.
  
  

  pdb1:
  I have mentioned before that on dozens of occasions I have removed dozens of the top X P contributors from the CC ( members with 100,000 200,000 points ) because they did not want to communicate or participate in some of the things we ask to be a member .

  
  Hmmm.... you don't pay any attention to member XPs yet you brag about booting members with 100K to 200K XPs here on the forum.
  
  

  pdb1:
  I can back all this up . I have never said thank you for your X P's to anyone .

  
  Never say never.  This looks like a thank you for XPs by you on your website.
  XP's the full list
  And another from this post on your CC website just 6 weeks ago....
  
  To paraphrase what you said was: 'I have no expectations for XP's, but here's some of my expectations regarding XPs.'
  Thanks for the laugh Mr. Contradiction!
  
  

  PaulTon:
  
  That's a minimum of 576 players you've culled, LMAO.
  Tell us another....
  

  
  I'm sure he will Paul!  PMSL!!
  This post on the VOTSCC website (scroll down about 1/4 of the page) sums it up nicely!
  
  He admits he'll do or say whatever BSing or exaggerating it takes to get his point across in the WGT Forums!  He's proved it.
  But I'm still wondering what the hell was his point of the original post!
   
  
  
  
  
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  pdb1 25,122 Posts

  Fri, Sep 4 2015 2:12 PM

    LMMFAO . You guys are fking unreal . If I thought you really wanted to know I would roll right along with your BS . Everything I say is what it is . At least I have something to show for what i do . And can be very proud of it . I owe you no explanations . Everything is just fine in the CC .
    It has been a riot . From my end you guys look the fools . Of course you feel the same about me . I have nothing more to say . What I have said stands as what it is . You are welcome to twist it all even more . Doesn't bother me in the least .
  
  
  
  
  
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  pdb1 25,122 Posts

  Fri, Sep 4 2015 2:14 PM

  
  

  PaulTon:
  That's a minimum of 576 players you've culled, LMAO.

  
    No about 300
  
  
  
  
  
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  PaulTon 10,731 Posts

  Fri, Sep 4 2015 3:09 PM

  
  

  pdb1:
  
  
  

  PaulTon:
  That's a minimum of 576 players you've culled, LMAO.

  
    No about 300
  
  

  
  So you lied....sorry, exaggerated. 
  Dozens of times you kicked out dozens of players.
  24 is the minimum number needed to say dozens. So, 24 x 24 = ?
  You do the math.
  
  
  
  
  
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  clucktrentsuperd 224 Posts

  Fri, Sep 4 2015 7:32 PM

  that's because we do kick ass i have been in 3 of these clubs that are currently in the top 10, i still play plenty of matches and have them as players on my friends' lists. pund for pund amigo, this club does what it takes... most of us are working class or retired or disabled as i am, and don't have the $$$$$$$$ to buy our way through these daily competitions for total points. i wish that each CLASH tournamnet each club could ONLY HAVE THEIR TOP 25 OR 40-50 players play period, an i know this is not the same as the weekly counts for points, but for some of these guys in my club to get in one round a day is a chore for them, because they actually have lives. you will notice that I AM THE 400,000 POINT MEMBER, AND THE ONLY ONE,and that reason is because i am too gdamn disabled to go play the real game, even though i started plaYING THE GAME WHEN I WAS 3 ,UNTIL I WAS 43, AND ended up in a wheelchair due to a brain surgery. now at 53, this is all i got left of this game,. i left the real game a scratch golfer, and very frustrating for me to watch the railroading of bigger clubs(by number of members) beat our club..... oh well.... this club is unrealistic anyway. i have tried now for 3 weeks to get a so called CHAMPION LEVEL player to play me in a stroke round...mmmmmmmmm makes me wornder how in god's name they acquired a average of 53-54,,,,,you know how!!! i am not  thi say arguing your statement. just jumping in for votscc and putin my 2 cents in literally which costs me a minute to earn. this is why i sit here, in my fn treehouse in klukwan alask and laugh at all the bs that goes around this club. i think pdb1 has done a helluva job with this club and you would see this if you just checked it out for one day. oh and we are as up for a club vs club in other forums, jusr send him a message...  clucktrentsuperduck   respectfully mine!!!
  
  
  
  
  
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  pdb1 25,122 Posts

  Fri, Sep 4 2015 8:11 PM

    Lol was a funny typo wasn't it . I fixed it hours ago . No I didn't lie or exaggerate on that . It was a simple typo . Didn't mean to say dozens twice in the same sentence . Lol . I don't give a flying fk about your critique . None of your babbling above is anywhere near what I am saying .
    Have another drink BOZO . 
    Do you realize how immature you look ? There is plenty of room for error . I certainly make my share . But every topic and subject that you have called me out on is completely as it is supposed to be . They are what they are . I stand by it all .
  
  
  
  
  
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  pdb1 25,122 Posts

  Fri, Sep 4 2015 8:20 PM

  
  

  andyson:
  But you figured your CC could reach the Top 50 without buying passes!  More contradictions!

  
    What a joke . Talk about missing the point . Not a snowballs chance in hell we could ever come anywhere close to the 100th spot with out purchasing every pass for every round that we could . But we are broke so that plan never came up . We don't have a chance period . 
  
  
  
  
  
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  MBaggese 15,356 Posts

  Fri, Sep 4 2015 8:30 PM

  
  

  pdb1:
  You can't seriously be that blind MBaggese

  
   
  I must be, but I'll let Andyson carry my light weight....lol... dude...
   
   
   
  You lose!
  
  
  
  
  
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  pdb1 25,122 Posts

  Fri, Sep 4 2015 8:31 PM

  andyson:
  The title is irrelevant as I said you poached it.  Several months ago?  I think not as it was posted on your website 6 weeks ago on 7-23-15

    Another joke . The date you see is the date I transferred it from one forum , post , thread , to another . Has no indication of when I ran across it . 
  

  andyson:
  you poached it

    Call it what you want . I find interesting information from all walks of life . I copy and paste it to my forum . All the time . 
    In fact this work in progress ( my forum ) has only just begun . Havn't even got started yet .
  

  andyson:
  Seldom?  On average every 2 weeks since you've celebrated it 33 times since your CC opened 17 months ago

    which = .3% of the 900 trophies I have made . So no not to often comparatively . Like I said before . Some one has to remind me to make those as they are not anything I pay attention to .
    Lol . Kiss my ass . you fool . I kinow it is way beyond your comprehension to read what I said . And even beyond that to take my word for it . I seriously hope you aren't as ignorant as you seem . I'm sure it is just an act . Or maybe not . Lol .
  

• MBaggese 15,356 Posts

  Fri, Sep 4 2015 8:38 PM

  
  

  PaulTon:
  
  
  

  pdb1:
  
  
  

  PaulTon:
  That's a minimum of 576 players you've culled, LMAO.

  
    No about 300
  
  

  
  So you lied....sorry, exaggerated. 
  Dozens of times you kicked out dozens of players.
  24 is the minimum number needed to say dozens. So, 24 x 24 = ?
  You do the math.
  
  

  
  Mellow out Paul...someone here has drifted into and out of their medication, and drug up a dead ( should be) post.
   
  You win Pdb....you are right
   
  We are wrong
   
  You have a 12 incher
   
  We can not find ours
   
  YOU DA MAN
   
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
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  pdb1 25,122 Posts

  Fri, Sep 4 2015 8:42 PM

  
  

  MBaggese:
  
  You win Pdb....you are right
   
  We are wrong
   
  You have a 12 incher
   
  We can not find ours
   
  YOU DA MAN
  

  
    Is that what you guys are after ? The win ? You can have it . Considering I have never won anything . Not likely I would be searching for that here or anywhere . Just defending my integrity is all .
  
  
  
  
  
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  9,041 Posts

  Fri, Sep 4 2015 9:25 PM

  
  

  pdb1:
  . Just defending my integrity is all .

  
  That 'ship' sailed along time ago I'm afraid........   ;-(
  
  
  
  
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  MBaggese 15,356 Posts

  Fri, Sep 4 2015 9:46 PM

  
  

  pdb1:
    Is that what you guys are after ? The win ? You can have it . Considering I have never won anything . Not likely I would be searching for that here or anywhere . Just defending my integrity is all .

  
   
  Yet you dredged up a dieing/dead post and decided to quote me, every one except you, had decided to let the thread die.
   
  Yet you felt some inner feeling to re-kindle this thread.
   
  Care to tell us why? 
   
   
  
  
  
  
  
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  pdb1 25,122 Posts

  Fri, Sep 4 2015 9:55 PM

  
  

  MBaggese:
  Care to tell us why? 

  
    Usually when I dredge up something dead . It is because it is the first time I read it . That's right I hadn't read all your nonsense . So when I finally do . That is what sparks the re- kindle . It is a reflex reaction ..
  
  

  MBaggese:
  Yet you felt some inner feeling to re-kindle this thread.

  
    When I finally read your BS . I usually have a need to reply . It is as simple as that . My inner needs thankfully do not realize this forum . 
  
  
  
  
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  pdb1 25,122 Posts

  Fri, Sep 4 2015 9:57 PM

  
  

  alcaucin:
  
  
  

  pdb1:
  . Just defending my integrity is all .

  
  That 'ship' sailed along time ago I'm afraid........   ;-(
  
  

  
    That's another error on your part . It is very much still intact .
  
  
  
  
  
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  andyson 6,415 Posts

  Fri, Sep 4 2015 10:12 PM

  
  

  pdb1 08-18-2015:
  I am done with this brick wall .....  Nevermind .

  
  
  

  pdb1 08-20-2015:
  You know what . I'll stop . No problem .

  
  
  

  pdb1 08-22-2015:
  But I will try to look the other way and let this die .

  
  
  

  pdb1 09-04-2015:
  I have nothing more to say .

  
  
  
  
  
  
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  MBaggese 15,356 Posts

  Fri, Sep 4 2015 10:21 PM

  Mercy..pdb...quit while you are a week behind...
  
  
  
  
  
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  pdb1 25,122 Posts

  Sat, Sep 5 2015 4:08 PM

  
  

  robmurphy4:
  
  In our CC. Yes VOTSCC, XP's really don't matter as some of you have posted. We believe they result from a members dedicated play for themselves. When someone does cross a particular threshold ex; 100K, 200K, etc Paul does create a trophy for this member. What is so wrong with that? In my opinion, this creates a higher club morale and promotes unity for all members.
  Our club members have a chance to be rewarded with a trophy for many different reasons. So those of you who say there is a direct correlation between XP trophies and an obsession with accumulating XP are just wrong. 
  Now, as I expect, you forum trolls can begin bashing, trashing or thrashing my post. Have at it. I and all the great members of VOTSCC know the truth. 
  Rob
  
  

  
   
  
  

  clucktrentsuperd:
  
  that's because we do kick ass i have been in 3 of these clubs that are currently in the top 10, i still play plenty of matches and have them as players on my friends' lists. pund for pund amigo, this club does what it takes... most of us are working class or retired or disabled as i am, and don't have the $$$$ to buy our way through these daily competitions for total points. i wish that each CLASH tournamnet each club could ONLY HAVE THEIR TOP 25 OR 40-50 players play period, an i know this is not the same as the weekly counts for points, but for some of these guys in my club to get in one round a day is a chore for them, because they actually have lives. you will notice that I AM THE 400,000 POINT MEMBER, AND THE ONLY ONE,and that reason is because i am too gdamn disabled to go play the real game, even though i started plaYING THE GAME WHEN I WAS 3 ,UNTIL I WAS 43, AND ended up in a wheelchair due to a brain surgery. now at 53, this is all i got left of this game,. i left the real game a scratch golfer, and very frustrating for me to watch the railroading of bigger clubs(by number of members) beat our club..... oh well.... this club is unrealistic anyway. i have tried now for 3 weeks to get a so called CHAMPION LEVEL player to play me in a stroke round...mmmmmmmmm makes me wornder how in god's name they acquired a average of 53-54,,,,,you know how!!! i am not  thi say arguing your statement. just jumping in for votscc and putin my 2 cents in literally which costs me a minute to earn. this is why i sit here, in my fn treehouse in klukwan alask and laugh at all the bs that goes around this club. i think pdb1 has done a helluva job with this club and you would see this if you just checked it out for one day. oh and we are as up for a club vs club in other forums, jusr send him a message...  clucktrentsuperduck   respectfully mine!!!
  
  

  
    Thanx guys . Now we're caught up .
  
  
  
  
  
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  andyson 6,415 Posts

  Sun, Sep 6 2015 11:15 AM

  
  

  pdb1:
  Thanx guys . Now we're caught up .

  
  
  

  VOTSCC activity list:
  04 Sep pdb1 posted ANYONE WANT TO BACK UP WHAT I SAY ? to the Valley of the Sun Casual Club forum.
  

  
  You had to ask your members for help?  SMHLOL!
  
  And neither of the guys you quoted, two club directors and high XP earners btw,  addressed the fact you are extremely interested in XPs even though you continue to deny it.
  The facts are...
  -You have a goal to be a Top 50 XP earning CC!
  -You stated 80 is the perfect size for your CC, but only because it allows you to reach the goal of a Top 50 XP CC without buying passes!
  -Hundreds of posts in your forum and website about XPs. (your number but pretty close to actual)
  -You've made 7 posts on this forum (actually 8 counting this thread) regarding XPs and how to use CC passes.
  -You regularly celebrate when members achieve XP milestones by giving them trophies.
  -You published a list on your forum of member XP contributions and thanked them for doing a good job.
  -You endorsed the Old Duffers Retreat CC post with the heading "What every member needs to know about Club XPs" which said "And no one is being asked to spend a dime" but you ripped Mbaggs and me for presenting the same scenario.
  
  And as if all that wasn't enough here's a new one.  You beg people to use their CC pass when getting their CDP bonus to maximize the CC XP contribution
  
  
  
  
  But you could care less about CC XPs!
  

• pdb1 25,122 Posts

  Sun, Sep 6 2015 11:38 AM

  
  

  pdb1:
  
  All of that was during a period when all our small and few members were kicking ass playing alot and racking up the points . So as usual I tried to find as much info about all . . 
    That was several months ago and was very short lived and does not mean I was ever for more than a fleeting moment concerned about X P 's . Only curious at the time because there were others inquiring . 
    I have been doing this for two years . Holding firm on my beliefs . No one will believe that the brief moment that you dug up to try and invalidate my claims is and ever will be what is the truth . 
  

  
    You don't have to believe me .But that two weeks was the only time since I have been at WGT that I even looked at the leaderboard .  I have not even noticed it . Before that and since then . That is a fact . .The rest of the two years . I never have even looked or cared about anyones point total .
   So the numbers that those big top 50 CC's were and are putting out just seemed astounding to me . I saw a couple people in the main forum say that a 250 member CC could get those numbers by never purchasing a pass and using their free passes . I said no fking way and asked them to do the numbers . 
    Well it turned into calling me out saying that I was lying about not being concerned about the XP's in my CC . And they brought up a few examples ( taken out of context ) to try and prove their point . Which I don't really care what they think . To me it only matters what you guys think .
   
  I will give you a very recent example . CLASH # 7 . We did very well . A lot of wins . 17 th place overall . Very proud of our members . Screenshots of the W's & L . Screenshot of the 17th place over all . No where will you find any screenshots of who produced how many points . No where is there any mention of this anywhere . Only a thank you to the 27 members that participated . Do you know why ? Because it never mattered and frankly did not even cross my mind to even look at who produced what points .
   
  
  

  andyson:
  
  You had to ask your members for help?  SMHLOL!
  
  And neither of the guys you quoted, two club directors and high XP earners btw,  addressed the fact you are extremely interested in XPs even though you continue to deny it.
  The facts are...
  -You have a goal to be a Top 50 XP earning CC!
  -You stated 80 is the perfect size for your CC, but only because it allows you to reach the goal of a Top 50 XP CC without buying passes!
  -Hundreds of posts in your forum and website about XPs. (your number but pretty close to actual)
  -You've made 7 posts on this forum (actually 8 counting this thread) regarding XPs and how to use CC passes.
  -You regularly celebrate when members achieve XP milestones by giving them trophies.
  -You published a list on your forum of member XP contributions and thanked them for doing a good job.
  -You endorsed the Old Duffers Retreat CC post with the heading "What every member needs to know about Club XPs" which said "And no one is being asked to spend a dime" but you ripped Mbaggs and me for presenting the same scenario.
  
  And as if all that wasn't enough here's a new one.  You beg people to use their CC pass when getting their CDP bonus to maximize the CC XP contribution
  

  
    That is not a fact . I / we have no desire to be a top 50 CC . Again that was a two week period and it was very obvious we had no chance . We never gave it another thought .
    No matter what you say . The above is only many of the dozens of things I have tried as I have built a learned this CC process . From day one . I have told members to not worry about how many XP's they contribute . I do feel that it is important that they use them efficiently and effectively .
    You have not been there and done that so you do not know what it takes to have an informed CC . That is what I do .
    There is no denying that for a couple of days I ran some numbers , asked some questions about the top 50 during a period of a couple of weeks that everyone was playing a lot . 
    But to insist that that is the norm is just ludacris . What gives you the right to tell me how I run my CC and post in these forums articles that have helped us grow along the way and take them out of context to make me look like a liar . I can tell you you won't find a more honest , sincere person to count on to give it to you straight . 
    Yes I also have posted that it is sometimes necessary to exaggerate to make a point in these forums . Some thing I learned here . Not related to the above issues at all .
    So since you have been proven wrong again about my intent . Please STFU .
    When I have been wrong in the past . I am the first to step up , own it and apologize to any party I may have offended . That happens from time to time . This is not one of them . So please again STFU . Already . Because you know I won't .
  
  
  
  
  
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  pdb1 25,122 Posts

  Sun, Sep 6 2015 12:34 PM

   andyson:
   
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
    None of this is factual , Comical at best .
     
  
    You are grasping at straws here . Hardly any of what you claim to be what is the norm in the CC is correct . You are overstating , misinterpreting , exaggerating , I can prove every word of this . Please stop .
   
    You have now somehow infiltrated my CC forum . Some thing I did not know was possible . Something I did not invite you to do . Something I am quite sure is against WGT guidelines . Some thing that now makes you instead of just a fellow forum rat . You have now stooped to the lowest levels . I will not have to do anything to retaliate . I am certain by whatever means you will pay for and regret your tasteless behavior . 
    Certainly will never be a friend of mine . Undoubtedly you have lost respect from many others as well .
   Like I said before . You guys do this despicable thrashing better than anyone else at WGT . I have seen you guys tear people down to the point of leaving WGT as a result . I am sure you are very proud of that . And make many excuses to try and defend it . Thinking you got away with it . We know better .
    All you have done to me is lost all respect . I am not angered but appalled . Shocked and disappointed . Admittedly ashamed to have fallen into one of your traps .
  
  
  
  
  
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  alosso 20,950 Posts

  Sun, Sep 6 2015 12:58 PM

  Please allow me an interjection - I hope you can see it as neutral.
  All participants have posted 121 posts in this thread, me thinks you had enough opportunity to make your point. Nevertheless, you are further away than ever before.
  Paul, you won't succeed to convince the others, and they won't convince you.
  Therefore, in my deepest belief, the discussion has become useless and it's becoming ugly. Everybody should stop it.
  Please stop it!
  You might want to "agree to disagree" (or not).
   
  Apart from that, WGT might want to stop the thread officially.
   
  
  
  
  
  
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  andyson 6,415 Posts

  Sun, Sep 6 2015 1:49 PM

  
  

  pdb1:
  You have now somehow infiltrated my CC forum . Some thing I did not know was possible . Something I did not invite you to do . Something I am quite sure is against WGT guidelines .

  
  Paul, look at your CC homepage on WGT  and scroll down below the member list.  You will find pages and pages of "Member Activity".  Its in the public view. Your post title "ANYONE WANT TO BACK UP WHAT I SAY ?" caught my eye.  That's where I saw you asked for help.  But no one can access your CC forum but CC members.
  So no, I have not "infiltrated" your CC forum or anything against WGT guidelines. Try clicking on a CC Member Activity link for a CC other than your own CC,  and you'll get a "Resource Not Found" page.
  
  
  
  
  
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  andyson 6,415 Posts

  Sun, Sep 6 2015 2:23 PM

  He brought this all on himself with his rude, sarcastic attitude which began when people started to question his original post.   I for example gave him a very reasonable (IMO) answer to his question on page 5.  His replys were...
  
  

  pdb1:
  Bull . Do you honestly believe that ? Wow . 

  
  
  

  pdb1:
  Lol . That is such crap . That wouldn't even get you in the top 500 . That is a fact .

  
  It got worse thereafter.
  Then there's all his exaggerations ...and his credibility suffered for them.
   
  
  
  
  
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  alosso 20,950 Posts

  Sun, Sep 6 2015 2:49 PM

  *sighs*
  It will become worse, and you will be in collective liability of it.
  Please stop it - I will!
  
  
  
  
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  andyson 6,415 Posts

  Sun, Sep 6 2015 4:06 PM

  I did stop, we all stopped, for almost 2 weeks from 8/22 to 9/4.  Then he reopened it with a disrespectful post to MBaggs on the 3rd!
  The dichotomy of his words and actions is amazing.  He just doesn't get it.
  I know you've been down this path with this bloke yourself, and I think you're right.  Although I could do another 30 posts (oh the exaggeration! ;o) ) refuting his latest posts, it's time to stop beating my head against the wall.  The point has been made no need to go further.
  
  
  
  
  
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  pdb1 25,122 Posts

  Sun, Sep 6 2015 8:39 PM

  
  

  andyson:
  I could do another 30 posts (oh the exaggeration! ;o) ) refuting his latest posts,

   
  
  
  

  andyson:
  Then there's all his exaggerations ...and his credibility suffered for them.

  
    So you say . No exaggerations have been needed in this thread . My credibility  is fully intact . If not with you , then it is your loss .
    And you would still be wrong . How would you know the intent of vast number of subjects we cover in our CC . No refuting is going on , no exaggeration is happening . Other than your own . I have reasons for everything I say . I do not recant anything . Your assumption that a statement from one article refutes a statement made in another is your problem .
    What gives you the right to publicly critique anything in our CC that is none of your fking business . Stay the fk out of my WGT CC Forum . And since you have proven to have no respect or limits on your exploits . Stay the FK out of our  ( free to all who can respect it and utilize it in a positive way ) website .
    Probably the reason it continues , is you are so far into the wrong and all can see I can hold my own in an attempt to silence your ignorant ass .
  
  
  
  
  
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  pdb1 25,122 Posts

  Sun, Sep 6 2015 8:49 PM

  
  

  andyson:
  I'm embarrassed he's representing Arizona!

   
  
    I can't imagine the high level of  embarrassment  you must feel for the way you represent yourself . 
    Arizona has so much more to be embarrassed about than anything I represent . lol .
  
  
  
  
  
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  pdb1 25,122 Posts

  Sun, Sep 6 2015 8:55 PM

  alosso:
  Please allow me an interjection - I hope you can see it as neutral.
  All participants have posted 121 posts in this thread, me thinks you had enough opportunity to make your point. Nevertheless, you are further away than ever before.
  Paul, you won't succeed to convince the others, and they won't convince you.
  Therefore, in my deepest belief, the discussion has become useless and it's becoming ugly. Everybody should stop it.
  Please stop it!
  You might want to "agree to disagree" (or not).
   
  Apart from that, WGT might want to stop the thread officially.
   

     Alosso I coundn't agree more .
  

• andyson 6,415 Posts

  Sun, Sep 6 2015 9:35 PM

  
  

  pdb1:
  Stay the fk out of my WGT CC Forum .

  
  I was not in your WGT CC Forum.
  I explained it above.  CC member activities are in public view at the bottom of a WGT CC home page....that's how I knew you asked for help from your members on this thread.  From the title of your post.  And that's all I know, the title.  Clear?
  
  
  
  
  
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  alosso 20,950 Posts

  Sun, Sep 6 2015 11:13 PM

  Glad to see that two agree with me. Now, all it needs is some self discipline.
  Thank you guys!
  
  
  
  
  
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  pdb1 25,122 Posts

  Mon, Sep 7 2015 12:24 AM

  
  

  andyson:
  
  
  

  pdb1:
  Thanx guys . Now we're caught up .

  
  
  

  VOTSCC activity list:
  04 Sep pdb1 posted ANYONE WANT TO BACK UP WHAT I SAY ?to the Valley of the Sun Casual Club forum.
  

  
  You had to ask your members for help?  SMHLOL!
  
  And neither of the guys you quoted, two club directors and high XP earners btw,  addressed the fact you are extremely interested in XPs even though you continue to deny it.
  The facts are...
  -You have a goal to be a Top 50 XP earning CC!
  -You stated 80 is the perfect size for your CC, but only because it allows you to reach the goal of a Top 50 XP CC without buying passes!
  -Hundreds of posts in your forum and website about XPs. (your number but pretty close to actual)
  -You've made 7 posts on this forum (actually 8 counting this thread) regarding XPs and how to use CC passes.
  -You regularly celebrate when members achieve XP milestones by giving them trophies.
  -You published a list on your forum of member XP contributions and thanked them for doing a good job.
  -You endorsed the Old Duffers Retreat CC post with the heading "What every member needs to know about Club XPs" which said "And no one is being asked to spend a dime" but you ripped Mbaggs and me for presenting the same scenario.
  
  And as if all that wasn't enough here's a new one.  You beg people to use their CC pass when getting their CDP bonus to maximize the CC XP contribution
  
  
  
  
  But you could care less about CC XPs!
  
  
   
  

  andyson:
  -You've made 7 posts on this forum (actually 8 counting this thread) regarding XPs and how to use CC passes.

  
    Yes isn't that what one does when they want to get information about something ? Yes that's what I did . I inquired .
  

  
    Lol it says that the pass is begging . As an owner . If you look down your list and you notice that after 4 or 5 months there are a handful of members that have only about 500 to 1500 X P points . An amount that other members could attain in one day . You realize that as an owner you might want to pay a little more attention to something you had never even looked at before . So since I didn't know anything about them and obviously many of my members did not either . I started asking around . I now ask that each member is responsible for utilizing their passes as efficiently and as effectively as they can . 
  
  
  
  
  
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  pdb1 25,122 Posts

  Mon, Sep 7 2015 12:35 AM

  
  

  pdb1:
  
  -You endorsed the Old Duffers Retreat CC post with the heading "What every member needs to know about Club XPs" which said "And no one is being asked to spend a dime" but you ripped Mbaggs and me for presenting the same scenario.
  
  And as if all that wasn't enough here's a new one.
  
    You beg people to use their CC pass when getting their CDP bonus to maximize the CC XP contribution
  

  pdb1:
    Lol it says that the pass is begging .

  
    Copy and pasting does not an endorsement make . 
    In my website I and many others copy and paste information about everything that could possibly interest people . I do not endorse any of it . But am able to provide a platform for which many voices can be heard . 
  
  

  pdb1:
  
  -You regularly celebrate when members achieve XP milestones by giving them trophies.
  -You published a list on your forum of member XP contributions and thanked them for doing a good job.
  

  
   As I have already explained . Those awards are given out as long time achievement awards . The accolades include their outstanding play , their participation , etc . No mention of the XP's ever . The 100,000 , 200,000 , 300,000 pt. marks which do deserve somesort of recognition but are never mentioned only serve as a level for which to recognize the members outstanding play and efforts . Period . Why is that so hard for you to understand .
    Dumb as a a bag of rocks 
    Is there another explanation for someone who celebrated their third year at WGT . 08/2015 . And then starts inquiring about XP's reluctantly but necessarily to inform his ignorant as i was members about how to use them . 
  
  
  
  
  
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  pdb1 25,122 Posts

  Mon, Sep 7 2015 1:12 AM

  
  

  andyson:
  Paul, look at your CC homepage on WGT  and scroll down below the member list.  You will find pages and pages of "Member Activity".  Its in the public view. Your post title "ANYONE WANT TO BACK UP WHAT I SAY ?" caught my eye.  That's where I saw you asked for help.

  
    Regardless of what catches your eye . Most of my members and by popular opinion most meaning a majority of WGTers do not and will not use these main forums . I can tell you that there are many reasons for that . But not the least of which is you and your cronies reputation for defiling , abusing , and thrashing of members on a regular basis . That is a big deterrent . And likely why many shied away from coming to my defense . Hope you are very proud of that .
    There were quite a lot of replies in the CC forum . All of them with many opinions about you and what you are so good at .
    With all that and with everything you have so desparately tried to call me out on . I still could care less ( even more so now ) about X P points and how many one contributes . They will never be a factor in our CC . Unfortunately they cannot be ignored . But I will never endorse or celebrate them .
  
  
  
  
  
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  pdb1 25,122 Posts

  Mon, Sep 7 2015 1:30 AM

  
  

  alosso:
  
  Glad to see that two agree with me. Now, all it needs is some self discipline.
  Thank you guys!
  
  

  
    I will honestly try .
  
  
  
  
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  PaulTon 10,731 Posts

  Mon, Sep 7 2015 3:41 AM

  Interesting to see the MAIN message on CC status.
  
   
                                 
  
  
  
  
  
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  pdb1 25,122 Posts

  Mon, Sep 7 2015 6:37 AM

  
    Glad you find that interesting Paul . I appreciate that . 
   
    Here is an example of our Homepage and the welcome message . Y es I added the part about when the free pass is active about 6 weeks ago when one of you so kindly explained it to me .. I assume that is what you are highlighting . I can't figure out what your point is .When I found out that myself and many of my CC members really didn't know how to use them properly . I asked about it main the forums and got the answers . What is your point . After never caring one way or another . I have amended the CC guidelines . They now say " It is everyones responsibility to utilize their free passes to fit their schedule in the most efficient and effective way ". Do you think that is good advise ? Are you giving me praise for at least asking that they be smart about it . Instead of continuing to blow the whole matter off ? Well thank you . Thanx for noticing . I also think you have no idea what it is you are trying to prove .
    Suggesting that members utilize a pass , ( which if they do they if they don't they don't  ) is in someway proving that X P's mean something in our CC ? Again grasping at straws . You can stop anytime . You are not going to find any mistakes I have made regarding the structure and guidelines in this CC . 
    I make all kinds of mistakes all the time . I gladly admit that I do and I am always the first to step up and own up and apologize . But you just won't find any here . 
    someone forgot to tell Paul . so much for self discipline
    Here is the thread I got the information from
  TO PASS OR NOT TO PASS ?
    BTW HERE IS THAT AMENDMENT I MENTIONED 
  Valley of the Sun Casual Club » Discussions » A BRIEF RUN DOWN FROM ME .
  
  
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    pdb1 4,741 Posts

    07-18-2015 6:22 PM

    The hope for what occurs in this CC is that the very best environment is provided for all members of all tiers to enable them to hone their skills , lower their averages , and move up in tiers , and to have fun doing it with little or no other expectations .
      All that can easily be the case playing our well made CC tourneys . Friending and learning from and playing matches with all of our CC members .
      By keeping current with what sometimes is critical information posted by various members in our WGT CC Forumhttp://www.wgt.com/clubs/valley_of_the_sun_casual_club/forum/default.aspx .
      By asking questions if unsure about any subject .
      Communication is a very big key to the success of any CC . But I am only concerned with ours .
      VOTSCC has a very tight network of long time very knowledgeable members , XLNT T-Makers . Directors , Veterans . All with access to just about anything any of us ever need .
      Thank you for joining our team . Which is exactly what we are . Everyone in the CC is pulling for everyone else at all times and has your back .
      This includes our CC tourneys which are very competative at a friendly level .
      These CC tourneys and other events like the daily BLITZ  are made to prepare us for various other matches outside the CC and to improve your play at the pace that suits you .
      CC & XP points are not the main concern here ( see all the above ) . As points will come no matter what . Each member is responsible for achieving CC XP points in an efficient and effective way according to your own schedule . There are many helpful posts in our forum and the main forum on many ways to do this .
        It is also to everyones benefit to friend every member of the CC . That is less than 40 and makes our CC run much smoother .
      This is just a brief intro to some of what is good stuff to know .
      Thank you
      Paul
      THIS IS JUST AN EXCERPT 
    
  
  
  
  
  
  
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  pdb1 25,122 Posts

  Mon, Sep 7 2015 7:04 AM

    WGT must have bought your fake I.D.'s Because it is pretty obvious you guys havn't made it out of High School yet . More like Jr. High . Yet you act so much like you think you are big boys . Well done . 
  
  
  
  
  
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  gsoup 2,929 Posts

  Mon, Sep 7 2015 8:11 AM

  WOW. I was going to watch Blazing Saddles, but this is more interesting, and certainly funnier.
  

• daveparr 1,175 Posts

  Mon, Sep 7 2015 8:25 AM

   
                                     
  Just Found this Epic Thread Definately in the same League as War and Peace,(and nearly as long) this could be made into a TV series  without a doubt it would make a Great book.
  
  
  
  
  
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  pdb1 25,122 Posts

  Mon, Sep 7 2015 8:57 AM

    Hardly . This is as boring as it gets here .
  
  
  
  
  
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  andyson 6,415 Posts

  Mon, Sep 7 2015 9:10 AM

  
  

  alosso:
  Glad to see that two agree with me. Now, all it needs is some self discipline.

  
  How's that working out alosso?
  I'm getting the DTs now from self discipline!
  
  
  
  
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  alosso 20,950 Posts

  Mon, Sep 7 2015 9:29 AM

  Keep your hands on the table A!
  
  
  
  
  
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  daveparr 1,175 Posts

  Mon, Sep 7 2015 11:00 AM

  PDB1 your right fella on Reflection this thread Stinks Really  boreing, badly Written, Repetition and dare l say a waste of space  you should all be arrested by the wgt Police
  
  
  
  
  
  
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  pdb1 25,122 Posts

  Mon, Sep 7 2015 5:57 PM

  
  

  daveparr:
  a waste of space

  
    Yes we wouldn't want to waste too much e space . Might have to start chopping down the moon forest .
  
  

  daveparr:
  Stinks Really  boreing, badly Written, Repetition

  
      Maybe you don't have anything to write about . Or maybe you think you could teach us all .
  
  
  
  
  
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  PaulTon 10,731 Posts

  Tue, Sep 8 2015 8:35 AM

  
  

  pdb1:
  
  
  

  daveparr:
  Stinks Really  boreing, badly Written, Repetition

  
      Or maybe you think you could teach us all .
  
  

  
  Dave would not be so presumptuous.
  However, I'd be willing to wager he could teach you a thing or two.
   
   
  
  
  
  
  
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  pdb1 25,122 Posts

  Tue, Sep 8 2015 2:35 PM

  
  

  PaulTon:
  However, I'd be willing to wager he could teach you a thing or two.

  
    I wouldn't be so presumptuous as to think he couldn't .
  
  
  
  
  
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  nanstar 4,914 Posts

  Wed, Sep 9 2015 5:48 AM

  
  

  gsoup:
  
  WOW. I was going to watch Blazing Saddles, but this is more interesting, and certainly funnier.
  
  

  
  Now that's a funny movie, but you're right.. it's not this funny
   
   
  
  
  
  
  
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  andyson 6,415 Posts

  Thu, Sep 10 2015 1:14 PM

  PaulTon:
  However, I'd be willing to wager he could teach you a thing or two.

  or three....
  

pdb1:
I wouldn't be so presumptuous as to think he couldn't .

pdb1 25,122 Posts

Thu, Sep 10 2015 2:45 PM