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2016 Discussion - Andyson Community Tournament Sept 16
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2016 Discussion - Andyson Community Tournament Sept 16
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PaulTon 10,730 Posts | Fri, Sep 16 2016 7:54 AM |
- While we all chip away at WGT in an effort to gain Tour Champion for Andyson we also have to face the fact that a memorial tournament will have to be devised, organised and ran by us, the forum using community.
I know quite a few people have approached the mods with the idea of a tournament but WGT don't seem to want to.
Many people want to do something to remember Andyson but we should all get together and brainstorm some ideas. We want this to be right, so let's not rush into anything. Players are willing to donate both time and credits to this event, we could make something really good happen.
Rather than people trying to get something done alone or in small groups, let's pool our ideas here, we have a lot of talentented and generous people here.
- What format should a tournament take?
- Who would play in it?
- Prizes?
- Charitable donations? (one pledge is for a substantial cash amount)
- Would WGT facilitate/advertise/support the tournament?
These are just a few questions to kick things off, now over to you all...
Ducati916
1,116 PostsFri, Sep 16 2016 8:58 AM petervcpt
1,013 PostsFri, Sep 16 2016 12:06 PM
1. I think it should be multi-round, and invitation only.PaulTon:
- What format should a tournament take
- Who would play in it?
- Prizes?
- Charitable donations? (one pledge is for a substantial cash amount)
- Would WGT facilitate/advertise/support the tournament?
These are just a few questions to kick things off, now over to you all...
2. I'm prepared to front $450
3. WGT is not interested.CEverett12
14,177 PostsFri, Sep 16 2016 3:07 PM
I sent WGTchampion a message last week , Asking if we could donate money to a tournament , I got no response . ????? I don't know !!!justacowboy
1,338 PostsFri, Sep 16 2016 3:09 PM opyeuclid
6,484 PostsFri, Sep 16 2016 5:32 PM
Andyson was a man of the community , one of the forum good guys .
I think that it is only fitting the we his Friends and Fan,s be the ones to set up a event .
OPY
You know I will help in any way can .
PaulTon
10,730 PostsSat, Sep 17 2016 4:38 AM
$650 dollars have been pledged already, this is why I felt we all needed involved in this conversation.
I'm leaning towards charitable donations rather than prize money for competitors but thats just my opinion.
Maybe some folk will donate balls as prizes for the actual golf event.
pdb1 re-posted the online memorial link for Andyson in another thread but I noticed that instead of flowers, family and friends were asked to donate to a local charity.
Maybe the local charity and something like the American Heart Association could both benefit?
We need to work out how the money would be held and paid out, this has to be open, accountable and beyond any doubt. (Could WGT facillitate this?).
I'm not ignoring Ducati's kind offer, it's just, I think, all aspects of financial matters need talked about openly
Before all that though, we need more discussion and ideas for the event.
Don't be shy...CEverett12
14,177 PostsSat, Sep 17 2016 5:04 AM
Keep the pressure on WGT ! Don't go away and don't give up !!!
I'm not shy .....................
Edit) I must have pissed them off or something ? Because they aren't talking to me anymore ...petervcpt
1,013 PostsSat, Sep 17 2016 7:12 AM
Additionally I do think that some kind of recognition is due for whoever wins the tournament.
A sleeve of balls to each participant, perhaps sponsored by WGT?, would also not go amiss.
I'm happy to be the holder of the credits and now that we have a fair amount pledged, perhaps we can move onto the type of tournament?craigswan
20,896 PostsSat, Sep 17 2016 7:46 AM
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1,013 PostsSat, Sep 17 2016 8:34 AM
Agreed:craigswan:
Every one on his friends list should be invited .
PLAYER AVAILABLE Fencer100 Y alosso Y mystry78 Y Bombshelly Y donsprintr Y ScottHope Y Quijotazo Y PaulTon Y mathia14 Y Ducati916 Y oneeyedjohn Y tennisnut Y hakman123 Y PugsAce Y rollone Y RReichenberger Y MainzMan Y Woodoworkery Y DAZZA501 Y Mushy01 Y overtheedge Y mrcaddie Y hpurey Y MBaggese Y alanti Y WigerToods2010 Y fatdan Y duffer19 Y AGArgent Y nitroboats Y mkg335 Y Ivietri Y Fuzzygazz Y opyeuclid Y shrude Y Zagraniczniak Y TWOMINUSONE Y CousinStu Y MioKontic Y drmoose Y SirGoofy Y frappefort Y renniw52 Y Tresclub Y gsoup Y YankeeJim Y YancyCan Y AtlantaCoaster Y TdotDoba N faterson N BolloxInBruges N WashGrandin N DaddysKat N VEM9000 N SweetiePie N dansamcan N diodenerd N tiffer67 N LizzieRosetti N Macduff10 N PeterHopper N ljbast N ElSidMo N robdelahunty N Steveroo N StrangeMagic N GerryTS N duffer66 N badaboom N hbthree N Corwyn ? Tightrope ? edstang ? petervcpt
1,013 PostsSat, Sep 17 2016 9:11 AM
Availability list as far as I could work out from their profiles:
PLAYER AVAILABLE Fencer100 Y TdotDoba N alosso Y mystry78 Y Bombshelly Y donsprintr Y faterson N ScottHope Y Quijotazo Y PaulTon Y mathia14 Y Ducati916 Y oneeyedjohn Y tennisnut Y hakman123 Y PugsAce Y Corwyn ? rollone Y RReichenberger Y BolloxInBruges N MainzMan Y Woodoworkery Y WashGrandin N DAZZA501 Y Mushy01 Y overtheedge Y DaddysKat N mrcaddie Y VEM9000 N hpurey Y MBaggese Y SweetiePie N dansamcan N alanti Y WigerToods2010 Y fatdan Y duffer19 Y diodenerd N AGArgent Y nitroboats Y mkg335 Y Ivietri Y Fuzzygazz Y tiffer67 N opyeuclid Y shrude Y LizzieRosetti N Tightrope ? Zagraniczniak Y Macduff10 N PeterHopper N ljbast N TWOMINUSONE Y CousinStu Y MioKontic Y ElSidMo N drmoose Y robdelahunty N SirGoofy Y frappefort Y Steveroo N renniw52 Y Tresclub Y gsoup Y YankeeJim Y StrangeMagic N YancyCan Y GerryTS N AtlantaCoaster Y edstang ? duffer66 N badaboom N hbthree N justacowboy
1,338 PostsSat, Sep 17 2016 10:45 AM gsoup
2,929 PostsSat, Sep 17 2016 11:08 AM
been 4yrs for meCEverett12:
I must have pissed them off or something ? Because they aren't talking to me anymoregsoup
2,929 PostsSat, Sep 17 2016 11:11 AM amateur4sure
2,048 PostsSat, Sep 17 2016 12:05 PM
Well done Paul/Folks..!!overtheedge
5,871 PostsSat, Sep 17 2016 2:04 PM
+1gsoup:
Whatever your up to please keep me in the loop
Im here if you need help. I feel all our Elite CC "active" members will participate in a tournament.opyeuclid
6,484 PostsSat, Sep 17 2016 5:44 PM
A month long event .
We have 4 different friends O Andy each set up a game , that game will be open for a week to give all the players time to enjoy the Ride . Lets just say Week # 1 friend calls for 18 holes with EZ swing clubs from the tips on Champ green speeds Uneven Lie,s .
Week # 2 the next friend picks open gear on a low and slow easy tee .
3 & 4 set up a game ,, Bla Bla Bla .
The score will not matter ,
It will be a chance for us to all get together and set up a game with a friend .
OPYalanti
10,563 PostsSat, Sep 17 2016 7:31 PM
Agreed.PaulTon:
We need to work out how the money would be held and paid out, this has to be open, accountable and beyond any doubt. (Could WGT facillitate this?).
I would not want any players to receive anything apart from Kudos.
Personally if WGT could set up a tournament and have an entrance fee which would go to a charity would be the easiest way.
If would be nice if WGT could match that entrance fee, but if not, how about using starters balls.
If WGT cannot/wiil not facilitate this then it gets logistically difficult to do, but would still rely on WGT helping to take credits off players.
The entrance fee should be set so as many players that can afford it would enter. I would rather this be open to as many as possible, as Andyson did things for everyone, not only friends. Perhaps also have an option for additional donations, but again as Paul says, accountability is paramount.
Personally I would rather have a one off tournament that an ongoing event as interest often wanes or time constraints make this difficult.
drmoose
3,478 PostsSat, Sep 17 2016 7:32 PM
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8,374 PostsSat, Sep 17 2016 7:56 PM
With this.drmoose:
I've been away for a few days, but I'm glad to see the community pulling together on this.Our friend , I am certain, will not be forgotten. Given WGT's negligence in honoring his memory, I'm proposing any tournament held be played with starter rocks only. Andyson was a big fan of "rescue dogs" as his obituary stated. I further propose any donations be made to the cause he , and his family selected. Let's do this right folks for all the enjoyment / entertainment he brought to us all. I further propose, in light of WGTs' prolonged inaction of doing even the minimal to honor his memory, that any donations bypass WGT, and go directly to his charity of choice, as I see no need to reward WGT with a percentage for their disgraceful behavior.
Doc
Personally I don't think it needs to be discussed who gives what. Can if any one wants, but privately with what is affordable is also fine, IMO.
Without even asking I know a few from my CC would wish to play in it. I will keep an eye on this and put it up in the CC as soon as the format looks a bit closer to finalised. The forum regs will know anyway of course:)CEverett12
14,177 PostsThu, Sep 22 2016 7:25 AM
LOLserver does some tournaments and so does Lexmarkz33 . I organize match play and alt shot games at my CC , But I have never done anything as big as a WGT community tournament ,
I am willing to give it a shot if no one else will ,, I would need some help ...
Any suggestions ???PaulTon
10,730 PostsThu, Sep 22 2016 9:08 AM
I've ran CC tournaments just playing ranked rounds and then verified the posted scores by looking at individuals profile page.CEverett12:
How do we make a stroke tournament without WGT ? Is there a way to show every ones score .
I'd quite like a stroke tourny in which the top 8 or 4 then play a matchplay bracket culminating in the top two duking it out.
Johnny (Wigertoods) has made a fantastic trophy and there will be a medal for everyone participating.
Maybe Scott Hope can help us with an editable leaderboard when we know what is needed.
Well done Casey, stepping up to take on the difficult role, I'll pitch in and help you in any way I can pal.
Looks like we're getting somewhere with this but there are a lot of people missing from this conversation, I'd like to see more ideas and discussion happening.CEverett12
14,177 PostsThu, Sep 22 2016 10:40 AM
To verify every ones score might be a challenge . LOLCEverett12
14,177 PostsThu, Sep 22 2016 10:53 AM
Week 3 down to 32
week 4 = 16 players
week 5 = 8 players
week 6 = final 4
Is that too long ??PaulTon
10,730 PostsThu, Sep 22 2016 1:41 PM
opyeuclid
6,484 PostsThu, Sep 22 2016 3:21 PM
Some of us would like a one time game . Others would like a multi round game .opyeuclid:
Here is a Idea for a tourney but has nothing to do about where the gifts will go .
A month long event .
We have 4 different friends O Andy each set up a game , that game will be open for a week to give all the players time to enjoy the Ride .
With this set up players could chose to play any or all of the games . Or set up a time to play with friends .
It would be nice to start this on the 1st , I would like weeeeek # 4 , I would call the game Trick Or Treat . Ding Bell WGT , look what we the community did .
OPY
CEverett12
14,177 PostsThu, Sep 22 2016 3:36 PM
Yes its a bit long , I agree .
We cant make every one happy no matter what , If its unlimited some people wont like it , Single play, you are one and done , What about both ?, First round unlimited , Second round Single play,
Match play is always a problem with time zones and getting every one to play their match , I'm not the best person for this nor am I the most qualified , I am willing to give it a shot .
First we need to decide what format to play , How many holes , What course , How many rounds ETC.
I think we shoot for November 1st
Lets decide what to do and then we will have a thread to sign up ..
PS. I'm sorry Opy , I was not on andysons friends list , I just knew him from the forums .
What ever you guys want to do is fine with me ...
Thanks...........opyeuclid
6,484 PostsThu, Sep 22 2016 3:44 PM
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Let all that wish to play do so for round one and then filter it down in the next round with perhaps the top 64/32 or whatever going through.WigerToods2010
8,057 PostsThu, Sep 22 2016 4:08 PM
"Andy's" last round was at St. Andrews - make that the venue?
Ranked round @ chosen course over 9 holes to be played with another. A fourball would be brilliant with one player posting the card (or someone that's already played their own round could volunteer to mark other players cards) with the option to verify score via player's own home page.
Just grab a friend to play a round with or post here saying you are available. Set a date when all '1st round' games must be completed by.
Easy enough to keep track of scores via the forums here to keep a leader board up to date on a daily basis.
I'll glady help out in any way I can: be it keeping scores/ 'marking' for others or whatever. What I won't do is become involved in anything that detracts in the slightest from the whole point of us, the community, paying a fitting tribute to the man.
Update: Just realised... St. Andy's - Have it finish on the 30th November!CEverett12
14,177 PostsThu, Sep 22 2016 4:20 PM alanti
10,563 PostsThu, Sep 22 2016 6:07 PM
+!WigerToods2010:
"Andy's" last round was at St. Andrews - make that the venue?
Happy to play with anyone but still would prefer a starter kit and ball, so WGT will not profit from this.
Problem with getting a group together is time zones....hell I can't even get in a hit with Wiger these days. If I was paranoid...................
bery111
3,859 PostsFri, Sep 23 2016 6:33 AM
I'm with his royal Toods-ness at the moment. Getting a right mauling at St Andy's! I've not fully read his post, but I'll play if free and on at the same time as others.alanti:
+!WigerToods2010:
"Andy's" last round was at St. Andrews - make that the venue?
Happy to play with anyone but still would prefer a starter kilt and ball
Problem with getting a group together is time zones....hell I can't even get in a hit with Wiger these days. If I was paranoid...................
PS I've made a small edit to your post, to please Wiger. lolPaulTon
10,730 PostsSat, Sep 24 2016 7:20 AM CEverett12
14,177 PostsSun, Sep 25 2016 6:02 AM
We cant verify someone's score a dozen times , If its unlimited play people will want to try to improve their score ( fair enough ) What I'm saying is they should have one week to post 1 score card .
We need 6 to 8 officials that can verify scores and post them in the forum . If we are shooting for the first ? We need to make some decisions soon ! We need to have a thread to sign up for the tournament , We need that thread to be active for several days prior to the start ...
If you can be an official ? please let us know .... Thanks everyone .
I can verify scores if needed ,, So I volunteer to be an official .PaulTon
10,730 PostsSun, Sep 25 2016 6:16 AM
If we decice on stroke play ranked rounds, then to avoid people playing multiple times, we record the 1st score that day, that course from their profile history.
I'll help with officiating and anything else that's needed.Jimbog1964
8,374 PostsSun, Sep 25 2016 6:20 AM
Whilst you would like to think most would play ball it does leave it open to not posting the round at all, and starting again. Maybe not a concern as people who enter via this know the go, but thought of it and my trap spoke..............PaulTon:
I don't think we should stick to the 1st as a deadline, it is important to get this right rather than rushing to just do something.
If we decice on stroke play ranked rounds, then to avoid people playing multiple times, we record the 1st score that day, that course from their profile history.
I'll help with officiating and anything else that's needed.
Thanks for the work you are doing.CEverett12
14,177 PostsSun, Sep 25 2016 6:21 AM
Also , should the leaderboard be separated by tier level ?PaulTon
10,730 PostsSun, Sep 25 2016 7:16 AM
This shouldn't be decided by one or two players though, we need more opinions to get a broader view. I'm surprised that more folk have not posted some.
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Here is my 2 cents ( for what its worth )CEverett12
14,177 PostsSun, Sep 25 2016 7:44 AM
Play as much as you want , you can post 1 score , You have one week to post a score ,
If we have no prizes for the top scores then it would NOT be advantages to cheat , Participation is the key , I would like to gift a sleeve of balls to someone in the tournament of my choosing , Perhaps someone who uses starter balls , Again my choice , Like the 12 days of Xmas , Some of you don't want WGT to profit from the tournament and I understand that , However they profit every time I play because I use balls that cost money . Sending a sleeve of balls to someone in the tournament ( in my opinion is fine )
The second round match play bracket is a good idea IMO ( the top 64 ? )
We will work it out,,,,,,,,,,,,, I hope !Beryman
8,927 PostsSun, Sep 25 2016 9:04 AM
the best option in my opinion ^^^PaulTon:
Personally, I'd like a few rounds of single play stroke and then the top (number to be decided) players from that have a matchplay bracket to decide the winner. I also think it should be straight play with tier and average being ignored.
the only way i can think of to eliminate restarts would be to use WGT`s weekly single play and not allow any tier below Pro to be in "The Andyson Tourney" (this would make it very difficult to do a restart) ... but then you may get many players involved who are not playing for Andy (just playing the weekly)...CEverett12
14,177 PostsSun, Sep 25 2016 9:12 AM Beryman
8,927 PostsSun, Sep 25 2016 9:35 AM
agreed but doesn`t mean we cant use their weekly to reach the top 64 or whateverCEverett12:
WGT says we are on our own here ..
CEverett12
14,177 PostsSun, Sep 25 2016 9:42 AM Beryman
8,927 PostsSun, Sep 25 2016 10:09 AM
or just take every ones word that they played only once which probably works too ... as the goal is to remember and Honor Andy and winning or losing the tourney has no relevancePaulTon
10,730 PostsSun, Sep 25 2016 11:16 AM
Good contributions guys, got me thinking, here's where I am now...
Once we have decided format/rounds/courses/dates etc. We start a sign up thread, let it run for X days/weeks.
Then we start a thread giving details of the 1st round. I will post a complete list of the players and make each name a link their profile page.
We go by WGT clock/ calender, so if for instance it's St Andrews to be played on the 20th Nov, then we look at each profile page and record the score for the 1st round played at St Andy in that 24 hour window of play.
Then I just put the scores against the playername in my post. Having links means anyone can check another players score by clicking it.
This will be a big task and quite time consuming but I have the time and among the people stepping up to help we'll get it done.
Just my thoughts, what do you reckon?
Beryman
8,927 PostsSun, Sep 25 2016 12:06 PM
i very much like the 2 stroke play tourney`s to narrow down for a matchplay bracket (like top 32) played on Andy`s two fav courses if anyone knows what they werePaulTon:
Once we have decided format/rounds/courses/dates etc
agree with every thing you have proposed other than the 24 hour time to play ... there may be many reasons why a player could not play on a certain date...maybe give 3 days to get it donePaulTon:
Just my thoughts, what do you reckon?PaulTon
10,730 PostsSun, Sep 25 2016 12:38 PM
Yeah that's a far better option, we just record the 1st score in their score history from that that 3 day window.Beryman:
agree with every thing you have proposed other than the 24 hour time to play ... there may be many reasons why a player could not play on a certain date...maybe give 3 days to get it doneYancyCan
3,023 PostsSun, Sep 25 2016 12:47 PM
Lots to read --- seems to be well organized by great WGTers
Please put me on the "wants to play" list
Please put me down for throwing a prize into the kettle - decent new golf merch item - will ship it wherever it needs to go on this planet.
My thoughts....... Andyson was a longtime friend of mine & he often contributed things for events I hosted - and all his "Art" was done from his heart - never sought recognition or compliments, he truly loved the things he did here. Perhaps that's why we "meshed" together well. Something I wouldn't say before, but I think is ok now - is that Andyson was deaf in one ear & struggled with this his entire life (I believe). I said "struggled", want to rephrase that HE CONQUERED this issue. Perhaps a "Charity" tournament with something going to "Deaf/Hearing Charities" would be nice? Just a thought....
My other thing......how cool would it be if everyone who played "had" to subscribe to his still online & staying that way YouTube channel...or just anyone as an act of rememberence and honor.
The link is here -- https://www.youtube.com/user/andysonsvideos
Need a google account only, takes 3m if you don't allready have one.
As of right now the WGT Andyson YouTube Channel has 8 subscribers.....bet we can bust it over 100 in 2 days....(theres no videos to see - he made his all "unlisted" -- luckily, the WGT community bookmarked many and we can watch them still. Check Gary's "The Pinhunters Website".
Not sure whom to address these ideas to --- Wanted to share with all of course -- but whomever is handking the ropes here, please contact me about prize donation or whatever else I can do for you.
Sincerely, Yancy
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paulton - That sounds like a lot of work , Going back 3 days on everyone's profile will be a big job ,, I have learned from making tournaments for our club that its very important to make it as simple as possible , Not everyone will understand . You will get people that want to use their score on day 3 instead of day 1 because its a better score ..CEverett12
14,177 PostsSun, Sep 25 2016 3:31 PM
Since there will be no prizes for the top scores there will no advantage to winning anyway , so why not let everyone play as much as they want in the first round , Once they decide to post their score , they need to be verified by a official ,, The round has to be completed in the time frame allotted ( say 1 week ) They post their score in the correct thread with the day played and then an official will verify it, and then add it to the leaderboard .
Keep it simple and easy ..
Back to you ...PaulTon
10,730 PostsMon, Sep 26 2016 4:33 AM
I've ran tournaments this way in my CC, it is very simple, just time consuming.CEverett12:
paulton - That sounds like a lot of work , Going back 3 days on everyone's profile will be a big job ,, I have learned from making tournaments for our club that its very important to make it as simple as possible ,
What they want is unimportant, we put in the rules that the 1st score recorded for the chosen course in that 3 day window is the only one that counts. Players can use practice mode to prepare for their scored round if they wish.CEverett12:
Not everyone will understand . You will get people that want to use their score on day 3 instead of day 1 because its a better score ..
I don't see a problem really, we might get some folk moaning.
I'll be happy to deal with complainers, in my own charming style.CEverett12
14,177 PostsMon, Sep 26 2016 9:53 AM
Round 1 = Single play , Saint Andrews
How about 18 holes ??
What about all of us changing our profile pic to the one andyson was using , For the duration of the tournament ...YancyCan
3,023 PostsMon, Sep 26 2016 10:44 AM
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC-HiD8KBgVdeeu39Bgd6XhQCEverett12
14,177 PostsTue, Sep 27 2016 5:18 AM CEverett12
14,177 PostsTue, Sep 27 2016 7:23 AM
Lets do this !PaulTon
10,730 PostsTue, Sep 27 2016 8:51 AM
Here's two I played around with, the original is in the forums somewhereCEverett12:
Can someone post the pic that Andyson was using for his profile , Thanks
Lets do this !
OK I'll start a sign up thread tomorrow, that gives me time to make a suitable banner picture type thingy...CEverett12
14,177 PostsTue, Sep 27 2016 9:11 AM
Round 1 is single play at Saint Andrews
Are we playing 18 holes ?PaulTon
10,730 PostsTue, Sep 27 2016 10:12 AM
Yes.CEverett12:
Sounds good Paulton , Thank you sir ,
Round 1 is single play at Saint Andrews
Are we playing 18 holes ?
SIGN UP THREAD!CEverett12
14,177 PostsTue, Sep 27 2016 11:48 AM
I have received messages , people are a little confused ..
Never mind, I see it now , round 1 is 18 holes . It doesn't say single play though .
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10,730 PostsTue, Sep 27 2016 1:23 PM
I've amended my 1st post in sign up thread.CEverett12:
. It doesn't say single play though .quadrock123
859 PostsTue, Sep 27 2016 1:33 PM Beryman
8,927 PostsTue, Sep 27 2016 2:47 PM PaulTon
10,730 PostsTue, Sep 27 2016 2:53 PM
We can try best round gets through but they may be the same score and not break the tie.Beryman:
one issue that was not discussed is how to break ties to get to a workable # for the match play bracket...i suggest we use that random thing-a-ma-picker that ShamWow uses in his Monday give away.....normally the ties would be broken by count back and who finished first....but those are not options here
The randomizer picky thing seems cruel so I quite like it!.
Any other ideas folks?
Beryman
8,927 PostsTue, Sep 27 2016 4:01 PM WigerToods2010
8,057 PostsTue, Sep 27 2016 4:37 PM
Post will show time/date. All have had to post to sign up so it shouldn't be a problem doing so - with the added bonus of helping to bump the thread thus keeping it high on the 'most popular' list.
It would also work as an incentive for folk to perhaps get their round in ASAP.Beryman
8,927 PostsTue, Sep 27 2016 5:06 PM alanti
10,563 PostsTue, Sep 27 2016 5:16 PM
As the players will be signed up, perhaps those players can post on Icon or DB's wall asking to be taken off moderation as they are entered.Beryman:
good idea but that may not work for those that are moderated.....WigerToods2010
8,057 PostsTue, Sep 27 2016 5:21 PM
There are other reasons why it wouldn't work either, Bery. Moderation wouldn't be one of them though. So long as folk remember the intent of the event is to pay tribute to a valued member of this community and not a 'must win at all costs' then all should be fine.Beryman:
good idea but that may not work for those that are moderated.....not sure how moderation works, whether it shows the time they entered their post or the time when it was allowed through
Moderated posts, although 'held back', when eventually allowed through show the original time they were made. Hence you'll see someone's name appear on a thread as the last contributer but their reply may be two or three pages prior to the most up to date entry.CEverett12
14,177 PostsTue, Sep 27 2016 6:04 PM
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Concerning gifts , There is no rule in this tournament that says you cant send a sleeve of balls to someone , That is a personal choice , If you would like to send a sleeve of balls to someone that's fine , However This tournament is not about money or credits or trying to punish WGT for not doing something , WGT will not be effected at all if we don't send any gifts , I understand some of the frustration in the community with regards to WGT , There are a lot of players out there that cant afford a decent ball , Perhaps they use starter balls , Gifting a sleeve of balls to a less fortunate player in my opinion is a good thing .. It doesn't have to be a big deal , There doesn't need to be any mention of who sent the balls or who received the balls , Maybe after the tournament we can have a thank you thread for those people who want to say something .CEverett12
14,177 PostsWed, Sep 28 2016 5:27 AM
First and foremost this is a memorial tournament for Andyson , And that should be the main thing ,
Thank you ...............petervcpt
1,013 PostsWed, Sep 28 2016 5:54 AM
Very well said!CEverett12:
Concerning gifts , There is no rule in this tournament that says you cant send a sleeve of balls to someone , That is a personal choice , If you would like to send a sleeve of balls to someone that's fine , However This tournament is not about money or credits or trying to punish WGT for not doing something , WGT will not be effected at all if we don't send any gifts , I understand some of the frustration in the community with regards to WGT , There are a lot of players out there that cant afford a decent ball , Perhaps they use starter balls , Gifting a sleeve of balls to a less fortunate player in my opinion is a good thing .. It doesn't have to be a big deal , There doesn't need to be any mention of who sent the balls or who received the balls , Maybe after the tournament we can have a thank you thread for those people who want to say something .
First and foremost this is a memorial tournament for Andyson , And that should be the main thing ,
Thank you ...............PaulTon
10,730 PostsWed, Sep 28 2016 8:00 AM
1) The 1st and 2nd rounds, 2 x 3 day windows of play. Start at midnight on a Thursday, so people can play anytime over the two weekends when most folk aren't working.
Midnight WGT time, so the score history dates are in sync.
The first ranked round on the specified course in a players history between those dates will be their score recorded for the tournament.
2) Match play bracket rounds, these can drag on a bit ( time differences, work schedules etc.) so I think the bracket should be 16 players maximum.
I can put the names into challonge.com and generate a random bracket. Then I will post it in the comp thread and we can run it from there. No need for the 16 to sign up and register for challonge that way.
I think this should work OK. I've ran events in CC similar, this just involves putting two simple formats together for the event. We can get it done no problem.
Thoughts?
p.s. I forgot to say, using ranked rounds to play rounds 1&2 means that people can play solo or play in groups, making it more fun for many of us.
petervcpt
1,013 PostsWed, Sep 28 2016 11:09 AM
Maybe if Challonge can do it we could have a 32 or even 64 player bracket, depending on participation?PaulTon
10,730 PostsWed, Sep 28 2016 3:38 PM
64 is way too big would maybe take a couple of months to get through, for the reasons I gave before.petervcpt:
I really like this Paul!
Maybe if Challonge can do it we could have a 32 or even 64 player bracket, depending on participation?
I prefer the top 16 but I suppose 32 is do-able.
What do other folk think about the matchplay phase? Nothings set in stone for this part yet.
CEverett12
14,177 PostsWed, Sep 28 2016 3:50 PM
Edit - 7 days per round would take 4 weeks to reach the final 4PaulTon
10,730 PostsWed, Sep 28 2016 4:07 PM opyeuclid
6,484 PostsWed, Sep 28 2016 4:08 PM
That is only if I have my muffin in the morning .CEverett12:
regular basis
Was looking at the list of names for the game , So nice to see many names that we all know .
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turfsand
1,773 PostsWed, Sep 28 2016 4:54 PM
this sounds good to me. we are using starter balls (also sounds like a good/fun idea)?CEverett12:
Most of the players in this tournament are People who play on a regular basis , I think we could get it done in 7 to 10 days , A 32 person bracket is my vote ..
Edit - 7 days per round would take 4 weeks to reach the final 4
pdb1
22,329 PostsWed, Sep 28 2016 6:59 PM
Good idea Yancy . Something you all might consider . I'm up for whatever you decide .YancyCan:
Andyson was deaf in one ear & HE CONQUERED this issue. Perhaps a "Charity" tournament with something going to "Deaf/Hearing Charities" would be nice? Just a thought....
Paul
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10,730 PostsWed, Sep 28 2016 8:04 PM pdb1:
Good idea Yancy . Something you all might consider . I'm up for whatever you decide .YancyCan:
Andyson was deaf in one ear & HE CONQUERED this issue. Perhaps a "Charity" tournament with something going to "Deaf/Hearing Charities" would be nice? Just a thought....
Paul
It was expressed by quite a lot of us that WGTs only revenue from this should be ball usage. So I would rather we didn't have any pro shop items as prizes.
They did nothing to honour Andyson and still refuse to make him a Tour Champion.
WGT do not deserve any $$.
If you have cash to splash, Andyson had hearing problems, died from heart failure and loved dogs, you could always donate to a charity. We don't need to hear about it in the tournament thread.
If you wish to gift a player an item go ahead but don't tie it in to this tournament by posting about the gift in the thread.
This is all about Andyson not prizes or public gestures.
Fun and cameraderie with a bit of healthy competition in memory of a good friend is the aim here.petervcpt
1,013 PostsThu, Sep 29 2016 12:59 AM
Agreed - 32 person bracket is my vote as well.CEverett12:
Most of the players in this tournament are People who play on a regular basis , I think we could get it done in 7 to 10 days , A 32 person bracket is my vote ..
Edit - 7 days per round would take 4 weeks to reach the final 4
How would we put together the matchplay portion you mentioned Paul? I'm drawing a blank :-)PaulTon
10,730 PostsThu, Sep 29 2016 11:28 AM
I've got that covered, gonna use a bracket site that does random pairings.petervcpt:
How would we put together the matchplay portion you mentioned Paul? I'm drawing a blank
I'll just screenshot the bracket put it the forum and away we go.
Then update it as match results come in.
The only thing still to be comfirmed is, when we cut the field to 32 for the bracket, how do we decide a tie? The time a round was played seems a bit unfair to me.
Depending on numbers, how about a sudden death MP or skins, 1st hole won gets you through to the bracket?
CEverett12
14,177 PostsThu, Sep 29 2016 11:40 AM PaulTon
10,730 PostsThu, Sep 29 2016 11:52 AM
What I meant was, players tied after the 2 rounds of strokeplay, how to decide who gets into the bracket?CEverett12:
If its match play , there will be no ties , They go to extra holes until someone wins ( right ? )
For instance, we could have 2 bracket spaces left and 4(or any number) players have the next lowest score that qualifies.
So, maybe the 1st two players to win a skin goes through. Or whatever we can think of.
We could have any number of players tied and any number of bracket spaces to fill.
We won''t know until all the round 1&2 results are known. It's also possible we don't face this problem at all.
alanti
10,563 PostsThu, Sep 29 2016 12:50 PM
Have the two rounds of stroke play and have a leader board.as usual - this can be for the Kudos.
THEN use the random selector for the final 16 to move into the bracket stage.
This is more about having the players participate. I would prefer to play my round with someone (stroke rounds) by asking in the thread if anyone registered wants to play their round - a way of meeting and playing with others.
PaulTon
10,730 PostsThu, Sep 29 2016 2:15 PM
It's going to be 32.alanti:
THEN use the random selector for the final 16 to move into the bracket stage.
I quite like the idea and would end any confusion over ties but in the sign up thread I put this in the intro -
The top players will then go into a matchplay bracket to determine a winner.alanti
10,563 PostsThu, Sep 29 2016 2:40 PM
My point was by putting all players into a random draw (who enter the stroke play rounds) gives an equal opportunity of being drawn into the bracket stage, not just the top players.
Andyson never considered himself a top player (although he did have some mad skills) and just throws open the bracket stage for potential upsets.
By only having the top players makes it just another tournament. Anyhoo...was just a thought to mix it up.
It also gives some of the lesser players to potentially play against a top player,,,heck even consider handicaps like Pall Finn did
This is the community's tournament, so rules can be broken IMO.Ducati916
1,116 PostsThu, Sep 29 2016 3:43 PM
I'm good with whatever the consensus is.PaulTon
10,730 PostsThu, Sep 29 2016 4:18 PM
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I still have the random picker set up from the Surviver game , I am willing to bring that into play if needed .opyeuclid
6,484 PostsThu, Sep 29 2016 4:41 PM
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8,927 PostsThu, Sep 29 2016 4:47 PM WigerToods2010
8,057 PostsThu, Sep 29 2016 4:49 PM
Yup.PaulTon:
I'm really warming to this idea of randomness...
Can only speak for myself - others have alluded to it already though - participating in the event as a way of paying tribute to Andyson is all that matters, yeah?alanti
10,563 PostsThu, Sep 29 2016 5:02 PM
But I will go with the consensus.PaulTon
10,730 PostsThu, Sep 29 2016 6:56 PM
No sorries needed, that's what this threads about.alanti:
hence the reason for the curve ball (sorry Paul).
Beryman's idea has merit but could still produce the need for tie breakers.
A random draw is fun and is the easier option to manage.
I'm in favour now, as has been pointed out we don't just want a tournament the same as we play week in week out.
I vote
RANDOMNESSpdb1
22,329 PostsThu, Sep 29 2016 10:42 PM
Andyson Community Tournament
***THE ANDYSON MEMORIAL - SIGN UP***
Because there seem to be some not making the list .
I may not be the only one confused by this .YancyCan:
Please put me on the "wants to play" list ( Monday Sept 25 2016 )alanti
10,563 PostsThu, Sep 29 2016 11:20 PM
The first (this thread is a discussion on how to have the tournament, the second is the actual sign up thread (for those who want to play).pdb1:
Andyson Community Tournament
***THE ANDYSON MEMORIAL - SIGN UP***
Because there seem to be some not making the list .
I may not be the only one confused by this .
Still may be work in progress but I have faith in Paul (Ton).
Hope that helps.pdb1
22,329 PostsThu, Sep 29 2016 11:57 PM
I have no doubts about that .alanti:
Still may be work in progress but I have faith in Paul (Ton).
Yes of course . But I think that some are trying to sign in in the discussion thread . Just don't want them to be missed . Which is not likely to happen .alanti:
Hope that helps.
Thanxpetervcpt
1,013 PostsFri, Sep 30 2016 3:58 AM
Agreed. It sounds like a great idea and as someone says, this is really about having some fun and honouring Andyson.PaulTon:
No sorries needed, that's what this threads about.alanti:
hence the reason for the curve ball (sorry Paul).
Beryman's idea has merit but could still produce the need for tie breakers.
A random draw is fun and is the easier option to manage.
I'm in favour now, as has been pointed out we don't just want a tournament the same as we play week in week out.
I vote
RANDOMNESS
Cheers,
PeterPaulTon
10,730 PostsFri, Sep 30 2016 4:19 AM
Thanks for highlighting this Paul, I hadn't noticed. I would hate for anyone to miss the chance to play.pdb1:
But I think that some are trying to sign in in the discussion thread .
Any volunteers?
Need someone to go through this 'discussion' thread and collect the names of anyone who has said they want to play, then either post the names in 'sign-up' thread or get them to Casey (CEverett12) so he can add them to the entry list.
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Ill check it out . Thanks...............CEverett12
14,177 PostsFri, Sep 30 2016 4:55 AM PaulTon
10,730 PostsFri, Sep 30 2016 5:15 AM CEverett12:
Ill check it out . Thanks...............
LOL Good stuff, thanks man.pdb1
22,329 PostsFri, Sep 30 2016 5:17 AM
Keep up the good work gang . Tear / tare sp the place up .CEverett12
14,177 PostsFri, Sep 30 2016 6:30 AM garyk49
1,961 PostsFri, Sep 30 2016 9:10 AM
pdb1
22,329 PostsFri, Sep 30 2016 12:43 PM CEverett12:
Just playin a round
Impressive .YancyCan
3,023 PostsFri, Sep 30 2016 1:55 PM pdb1
22,329 PostsFri, Sep 30 2016 2:30 PM
That goes right in to the YANCYCAAN FILM FESTIVALpdb1:YancyCan:
ANDYSON'S Photo Shop Collection Part 1
Now that's Impressive .YancyCan
3,023 PostsFri, Sep 30 2016 8:04 PM
Should have clarified the video above was made by Andyson and is on his second YouTube channel which I linked up a few pages back.
There are a few more videos to watch there and share. The channel is called Andyson47 if you search for it.
This however does not change the truth of pdb1s comment:
"Now That's Impressive"
If anyone would be interested in making the definitive Andyson art and video web page or subpage contact me and I'll give you all the links I have including the hidden videos that are not public.
Nudge: pdb1 (send me a PM plz)
I apologize if there was any confusion about who made that video I simply posted it to kind of break up the conversation about setting up the tournament to give everybody just a reminder of who and he was and why you are all doing such a great job with this.
pdb1
22,329 PostsFri, Sep 30 2016 8:31 PM
It will also be found in TO ART OR NOT TO ART : ASK ANDYSON .
All good .
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Re: 2016 Discussion - Andyson Community Tournament Sept 16
WigerToods2010 8,057 Posts | Mon, Oct 3 2016 4:15 AM |
Possible leaderboard display option for the event:*
SOME CHARTS HAVE TOO MANY COMPONENTS AND ARE TOO BIG TO POST IN THIS SITE ( I think this was a sample leaderboard anyway .)
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Number of entrants is limitless and it's also very easy to update/add scores .
*Random scores used for example!
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I'm thinking we play Round 1 over the weekend of 14-16th October, giving a 72 hour window of play. (Using WGT date/time, from midnight Thurs through to midnight Sunday)PaulTon
10,730 PostsMon, Oct 3 2016 5:32 AM
OK with everyone?CEverett12
14,177 PostsMon, Oct 3 2016 5:49 AM PaulTon
10,730 PostsMon, Oct 3 2016 5:55 AM
I will need plenty of free time to keep on top of things while play is going on.pdb1
22,329 PostsTue, Oct 4 2016 4:41 AM
YepPaulTon:
I'm thinking we play Round 1 over the weekend of 13-16th October, giving a 72 hour window of play. (Using WGT date/time, from midnight Thurs through to midnight Sunday)
OK with everyone?garyk49
1,961 PostsTue, Oct 4 2016 5:17 AM
Sounds finePaulTon:
13-16th October
OK with everyone?alanti
10,563 PostsTue, Oct 4 2016 11:57 AM
+2garyk49:
Sounds finePaulTon:
14-16th October
OK with everyone?
Plus the sign up thread has regained some momentum.....so gives another week for those just learning about it.opyeuclid
6,484 PostsTue, Oct 4 2016 2:48 PM
Sir , I might be out of town that weekend . ( will not be sure till next week late ) . Could I ask please that I might play my game on the 13th if I have to ?PaulTon:
I'm thinking we play Round 1 over the weekend of 14-16th October, giving a 72 hour window of play. (Using WGT date/time, from midnight Thurs through to midnight Sunday)
OK with everyone?
Thank you
OPYJimbog1964
8,374 PostsWed, Oct 5 2016 3:03 AM
Fine . And thanks to all involved.PaulTon:
OK with everyone?
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That'll work out great, especially for those who actually participate in the Clash which should be this coming week.Lute345
2,479 PostsWed, Oct 5 2016 4:15 AM PaulTon
10,730 PostsWed, Oct 5 2016 6:00 AM
OK, we'll make it 13-16th. Starting midnight Wed.opyeuclid:
Sir , I might be out of town that weekend . ( will not be sure till next week late ) . Could I ask please that I might play my game on the 13th if I have to ?PaulTon:
I'm thinking we play Round 1 over the weekend of 14-16th October, giving a 72 hour window of play. (Using WGT date/time, from midnight Thurs through to midnight Sunday)
OK with everyone?
Thank you
OPYopyeuclid
6,484 PostsWed, Oct 5 2016 4:46 PM
Thank you Sir ,PaulTon:
OK, we'll make it 13-16th. Starting midnight Wed.
And on a side note not to Hijack the Honest thread with WD40 , 90210 , The new Reformed .
I wish you Well Sir .
OPYdrmoose
3,478 PostsSat, Oct 8 2016 7:56 PM
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1,386 PostsTue, Oct 11 2016 9:49 AM
2nd:- I think this is a Tremendous way to show our Respect for Dennis
3rd:- As I'm 'Old' and a 'Tight' Scot,,,, o.k. Paul a Very Tight Scot,,, jeesh !! ,,, I am putting an Extra £50 in the "Cancer Research" Kitty this Year as my Token to a Truly GREAT Guy
ArchiePaulTon
10,730 PostsTue, Oct 11 2016 1:27 PM
Thank you but this isn't the greatest song in the world it's just a...drmoose:
Mr. Paulton & Ceverett, have done an excellent job of putting this tribute together.
Bethpage will be the venue for round 2, 18 hole stroke.
Round 3 (64 player bracket) will have 6 rounds including the final.
Bracket matches will be 9 hole matchplay, except the final which will be 18 hole matchplay. Extra holes will be used to determine a winner if necessary
If you have a course you'd like to see included let me know here.bubbsboy
6,876 PostsTue, Oct 11 2016 3:41 PM
I will be using rocks, others may also, and we will report the fun and games on the reporting thread thereafter.
May even try to bounce up car park on 17th or put a few windows out ;-)PaulTon
10,730 PostsWed, Oct 12 2016 3:41 PM CEverett12
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